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Woebegone & Fed Up

11:05 AM -- Garrison Keillor, writing in the Chicago Tribune, poses a question that is too little asked these days:

"Is the law a law or is it a piece of toast?"

It seems the soft-spoken radio host is ironically OK with illegal surveillance of Americans and with the war in Iraq. But he's got a typical liberal's namby-pamby objection to, of all things, torture.

He's got a modest proposal:

"Impeach him and let the Senate hear the evidence."

— Larry, Attack Monkey, Light Reading

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Lite Rock 12/5/2012 | 4:03:56 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up Garrison Keillor? I thought he was dead...

To properly charicature-ize the liberal (ooppps, I meant progressive)agenda, It's mamby pamby, not namby pamby, you faux Conservative. (Attack Monkey in Sheep's clothing)

As long as I can remember it seems the Presidents take way to much credit for what is good and way to little responsibility for what is bad.

About the only really smart thing Bush has done so far is to try and get our money back for the Louisiana Purchase.

Speaking of French Culture, Blog this...

France Assigns New Terms for 'Email' and 'Spam'
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT...
Larry, Monkey 12/5/2012 | 4:03:55 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up "Snausages"? Sounds vaguely satirical to me.

This, howsomever, comes from the BBC, so it must be true:

Iranians wishing to buy Danish pastries will now have to ask for "Roses of the Prophet Muhammad".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/mid...

Got Freedom Fries?
blackdiamond 12/5/2012 | 4:03:54 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up This is nothing more than payback for the impeachment of BJ Clinton. The chants of "Bush Lied, People Died" are farcical and the monitoring of people talking to their terrorist friends overseas is open to serious debate within the legal world. If the liberals decide to turn their guns on the administration for trying to do something about preventing terrorism then have at it. They will once again show themselves as the party weak on national security and lose any real oppportunity to reclaim any sense of political relevancy. And spare me the typical liberal drivel about Big Brother. The amount of calls actually monitored last year can be measured in terms of percent of a percent. I think we can all look at the 1990's and our effeminate and weak responses to terrorism against our country.

On the other hand you can certainly make a case for booting Bush out of office for:

1) Losing the veto pen when it came to huge spending increases on entitlements

2) No border security plan

3) No SS reform

4) Expansion of government
HeavyDuty 12/5/2012 | 4:03:53 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up "...the monitoring of people talking to their terrorist friends overseas is open to serious debate within the legal world."

Yes, they are. The consensus is that bypassing the FISA court was illegal; as opposed to Clinton's legal BJ.

A quick read of the law will inform a body, that breaking the law once is enough to be prosecuted for said illegal activity; even if a President did it.
blackdiamond 12/5/2012 | 4:03:53 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up The program allows you to go back and get a warrant after the fact. If so then what's the point other than CYA?

And, the Clinton impeachment was not about what he was doing in the Oval office but rather that he lied in open court. Hey, if I was married to that shrew of a wife then I would cheat too but probably with something better than what he chose. Perhaps they should have dinged him for bad taste as well.
HeavyDuty 12/5/2012 | 4:03:52 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up FISA, "allows you to go back and get a warrant after the fact. If so then what's the point other than CYA?"

FISA is one of the checks and balances on power, as defined in the Constitution. The Legislature authorized the Judiciary to check the use of one of the powers of the Executive branch of the Federal government.

"the Clinton impeachment was not about what he was doing in the Oval office but rather that he lied in open court."

Two errors:
First, the impeachment inquiry happens in the House of Representatives, not open court.

Second, he was acquitted. He was found, in the Senate, not guilty of any charge; i.e., innocent.
Lite Rock 12/5/2012 | 4:03:52 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up Would you like some Cheese Kurds and Gravy with those Freedom Fries Mr. Karzi.
Larry, Monkey 12/5/2012 | 4:03:51 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up Thank, Lite, but no thanks.
I'm all fed up.
paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 4:03:51 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up
Better read FISA, section 1802.

seven
HeavyDuty 12/5/2012 | 4:03:50 AM
re: Woebegone & Fed Up Seven,
Best re-read 1802 (a)(1)...

It states clearly that the monitored electronic transmission must be foreign, exclusively. The current FISA inquiry is about spying on domestic to foreign transmissions.
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