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Spy: The HP Way

5:00 PM -- It's been a busy week at HP. Recent reports have revealed that executives there have spied on journalists and their own board members. They've also tried to find out a journalist's sources by concocting fake presentations and leaking them to the media under the guise of a fictitious, disgruntled senior executive.

HP's never been what I'd call a friendly place. But now it seems to be downright ruthless. Does there come a point when the media should stop giving a company the benefit of the doubt? I'm wondering:

— Phil Harvey, News Editor, Light Reading

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The_Escapist 12/5/2012 | 3:39:10 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way Exactly why does Carly get a pass in all of this? Surely, she created the "new" HP culture that spawned this whole mess?
whyiswhy 12/5/2012 | 3:39:08 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way Dunn and several others got far far less than what they deserve. They deserve stainless steel and iron bars and a "big mommy" or "big daddy".

Pretexting corresponds to breaking and entering, which is a felony. It is a separate crime from actually stealing or breaking something, by the way.

But they are rich and white and corporate executives, so nothing will happen. Better bag that Black guy on the corner of University and 101 selling a bag of pot to the Stanford kid. Swat team on that. Oh, yea, let the kid go, his/her parents are rich.

-Why

Scott Raynovich 12/5/2012 | 3:39:08 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way Well, I dunno, I think the fact that Hurd helped double the stock price in two years is partially contributing to the fact that he's still standing.

As for Congress, some day they should just turn the tables around and let the witnesses interrogate them.

"Yes representative, but didn't you send porn e-mails to your former intern?"





opticalwatcher 12/5/2012 | 3:39:07 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way Well, there's certainly a debate over pretexting being illegal. Congress has been considering passing a law making it illegal (which is why Congressmen have been making gratuitous comments about the HP case).

And to compare it will drug dealing is quite a stretch. Drug gangs in East Palo Alto were once responsible for giving this small town the highest homicide rate in the country. A number of years back they brought in police from everywhere and shut much of this down.

whyiswhy 12/5/2012 | 3:39:05 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way Debate, my butt. There's no maybe about it. It's at least fraud. The phone companies that got pretexted are suing.

It can certainly be prosecuted under RICO in that at least Dunn and Hurd were aware private records were being accessed..probably corporate counsel too. Sounds like conspiracy to commit a California crime to me. Let's see what the CA AG does.

It's absolutely laughable that Dunn said she thought private telephone records were available publicly: that's the worst "stupid" excuse I've heard in a long time. That single remark set back female equality twenty years. "That's not representin', that's mis-representin'" as my teenaged daughter says.

No better than Hurds "I didn't do my job, blame me for everything" excuse. Ah, sorry, but the rest of that alibi is: fall on your sword. He forgot that part apparently. No class, if it costs cash.

Think the kids in East PA can afford that stuff unless they are dealing? Drugs were and still are fueled by the rich kids from Stanford, Palo Alto High and that junior college down the road, Menlo. It's true murder and dealing in East PA is down, it's moved to Oakland, and the kids have to pay a bridge toll to get them.

Cops? Ha! The biggest thing that shut down drugs in East PA was jobs and development. That was courtesy of WalMart and Ikea and OfficeDepot. Oh and the multi-story office buildings and four star hotel complex that replaced Whisky Gulch courtesy of Brobeck (RIP).

Hell, there isn't a law specifically outlawing snaking a camera up the sewer line is there?

Do we really need a general right to privacy ammendment to the constitution, or can we get a little justice metered out on these fools and save us a lot of time and work?

-Why
lightreceding 12/5/2012 | 3:39:03 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way It is funny how the press is calling what HP did "pretexting". It looks more like fraud to me. Why don't they call it that? The HP people where lying about who there were.

My understanding is that "pretexting" is the name for the stories that police investigators make up to get evidence and confessions. The police are allowed to lie and when they do this they are not claiming to be someone else.
lightreceding 12/5/2012 | 3:39:03 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way I don't think that Carly should get a pass, but I don't know if people's memory goes back that far and she has a whole lot of PR working for her with the new book coming out, while the rest of them are looking really stupid.
opticalwatcher 12/5/2012 | 3:39:02 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way Yes, it was a strike force in 1998 that stopped the drug dealers in East Palo Alto. I certainly like your story about cops having nothing to do with it. Certainly in the long run more jobs will help the city more. But it is still kind of absurd to compare drug wars in East Palo Alto to pretexting.

Congress has found the following companies having practiced pretexting: Honda, Wells Fargo, Ford, and many more. So you're going to have to broaden your moral outrage to a lot more companies and CEOs.
paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 3:39:00 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way
I have found people in the following profression "Pretext" regularly:

1 - Journalists
2 - Fianancial Analysts
3 - Private Investigators
4 - Police
5 - People at Trade Shows
6 - Guys in Bars
7 - Gals in Bars

seven
whyiswhy 12/5/2012 | 3:38:57 AM
re: Spy: The HP Way The old HP way: respect for human dignity, faith in the idea that one can deliver good incomes and job security based on SOTA products commanding SOTA prices, then reinvesting the profits in R&D to do it again!

The new HP way: She with the most airplanes when she dies wins! Let them eat cake with a bug in it, then track them! Did the photographers catch the glint of that tear on my cheek?
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