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Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant

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Light Reading
10/29/2002

Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq: CSCO) has confirmed it intends to close its metro DWDM unit near Stockholm. The company told Light Reading of the shutdown this afternoon when asked about Swedish media reports detailing the coming closure.

Cisco says it told its workers in the Hagersten photonics unit of its intention to close the facility two weeks ago. The company says it will continue selling the products based on the technology developed there.

Cisco's Photonics unit in Hagersten was formed when the networking giant acquired Qeyton Systems (pronounced KEE-ton), a 52-person startup, for about $800 million in stock back in May 2000 (see Cisco To Buy Qeyton For $800 Million).

The Qeyton-based product line -- which includes the ONS 15201 and ONS 15252 -- is a series of metro DWDM boxes that aim to give enterprises and service providers a means of getting more use out of their existing fiber (see Metro DWDM).

— Phil Harvey, Senior Editor, Light Reading
www.lightreading.com Want to know more? The big cheeses of the optical networking industry will be discussing metro DWDM at Lightspeed Europe. Check it out at Lightspeed Europe 02.

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runrabbitrun
runrabbitrun
12/4/2012 | 9:27:13 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
Most likely the Qyeton box would be supported out of Petaluma. Is this true, or are they closing down that product line altogether?

Does any one know who bought this box (that is still in business)?
Light_Path
Light_Path
12/4/2012 | 9:27:13 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
Phil,

The 15216 was not part of Qeyton. It was originally the 15516 and came to Cisco from the Cerent product line (454's ITUs feed 15216 DWDM, EDFAs, etc). Qeyton developed only the 15252 and 15201, which is sounds like Cisco is keeping.
facetious
facetious
12/4/2012 | 9:27:05 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
Just for the sake of linguistic correctness, "d+¦rene lukkes" is actually Norwegian...

/f
mesolithic
mesolithic
12/4/2012 | 9:27:03 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
The products stay, developed & supported through San Jose (same unit as support 15530/15540 MDWDM) and Milan (15800). There's been quite a few deployments of these systems - especially in Europe - for Storage as well as SP MEtro DWDM applications - it's popular with Utilities. Matav (Hungarian PTT), Union Fenosa (Spain) are the two published wins in Europe, but there's been deployments published in the US also and quite a few non-published deployments.
optics4all
optics4all
12/4/2012 | 9:27:02 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
The ONS15252 is also recently deployed in The Netherlands by the national research network operator SURFnet.

optics4all
Light_Path
Light_Path
12/4/2012 | 9:26:59 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
What are you talking about, 7 years old? That would make it 1995. In 1995 there were only 16 channel DWDM available. If I read the cisco web page correctly, the 15800/01 is 64 channels and the newer (2001) is 80 ch. C-Band expandable to >300 channels. The 15800/01 is the pirelli gear and it came out at OFC in 1997. To date, it seems as if cisco has not stopped any of its LH gear.
fiber_r_us
fiber_r_us
12/4/2012 | 9:26:59 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
There have been deployments of the 1580x??? I thought they shut this ancient long-haul product down! Who would buy 7-year-old LH technology?
fiber_r_us
fiber_r_us
12/4/2012 | 9:26:57 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
The 15800/01 is the Perelli gear that was completed in 1996. Its almost 2003, hence 7-years... The current cisco product 15808 is the Perelli gear with some additional muxing thrown in to increase its channel count... Other than that, it looks like, talks like, walks like, and quacks like the Perelli system.

My original question still stands: who is buying the 1580x?

ps... I know its not the Qeyton system, but the message I responded to mentioned the 1580x...
BBBoa
BBBoa
12/4/2012 | 9:26:54 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
The 158XX products are being "end-of-lifed". They're 3X too expensive and have a very small addressable market to begin with.

There are a handful of carriers that were purchasing the 158XX earlier this year, but not much since then - thus the end of the product line. The only reason carriers were buying the 158XX was to front-end their 15454's for span distances that the 152XX couldn't reach.
Light_Path
Light_Path
12/4/2012 | 9:26:53 PM
re: Cisco Intends to Close Swedish Plant
Very interesting...I had not heard that they were going to EoL the 158xx. Granted, no one is buying any new LH routes from any vendor. Ciena is only selling channels, Lucent has had no luck with the LambdaXtreme, and start-ups have no traction.

When was the last time you heard of a new (not channel add):

CoreStream customer
LambdaXtreme Customer
Nortel 4000 or 1600 customer (maybe China??)
Ceyba, Xtera, PhontonEX, Innovance Customer
Corvis customer
Fujistu LH DWDM customer

No one is buying new LH routes now. Cisco is in no worse shape than any of the other LH vendors.

I bet cisco will hang on to the 158xx until the LH market comes back, then make another technology/product/partner/acquisition move.

Big question is when will the LH market turn? 2003, 2004, or 2005?
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