Women In Comms

Ericsson CMO: Diversity Is Critical to Transformation

The communications industry is undergoing a fundamental shift unlike anything it's seen before, especially for vendors that formerly set the pace with their R&D efforts but are now answering to new demands from new customers and facing new competitors.

According to Ericsson AB (Nasdaq: ERIC) CMO Helena Norrman, diversity is one way companies can come out ahead on this transformation.

When everything is changing, a diversity of capabilities, viewpoints and backgrounds can help a company understand the market dynamics and its role in it, Norrman explains. Gender diversity is part of that equation, which is why she is fighting to maintain the 50/50 gender split on her team. (See BTE 2015: Innovation Thrives on Diversity.)

As chief marketing and communications officer and senior vice president marketing & communications, Norrman heads up Ericsson's global communications operation with the goal of driving scale, simplicity and speed through the marketing and communications operations. Supporting a diverse workforce with a level playing field for all is another goal of hers that ties in neatly with the first one.

Norrman checked in with Light Reading from Sweden to share her thoughts on why diversity matters, how parental leave creates a level playing field, how to recruit women, and more.

Helena Norrman, chief marketing and communications officer, and senior vice president marketing & communications, Ericsson
Helena Norrman, chief marketing and communications officer, and senior vice president marketing & communications, Ericsson

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Light Reading: Would you say that it's a good time to be a woman in comms, or are there still formidable challenges for women in our industry?

Helena Norrman: I think my basic feeling is that it's a good time to be a woman in the industry, and I also think it's an industry that needs more women, so it's not without challenges. The fundamental shift in the industry is we're going to a world that was very much driven by the company, and the company's own development and R&D, into a world that is demand- and requirement-driven from consumers, different industries and different ecosystem players. This fundamentally changes the logic of the industry in many ways and means you need more diverse capabilities in the company to understand what's happening and where to put resources. Diversity in general, including gender, is a very important component here.

LR: What does a "pro-woman" workplace look like and how can we achieve that in a meaningful way in large, often slow-moving companies?

HN: I think the first part is always to have a workplace that recognizes competence and recognizes people in respect of who they are, meaning you create a level playing field between men and women. I also think that just looking at Ericsson -- I've spent 16 or 17 years with the company -- for me, what has mattered a lot, and has mattered to the women I worked with, are the values of the company and the fact that it is a company driven by a belief in its people and a belief in the purpose of what we do. Those kind of values are important for many women.

I'd also add that it needs to be an environment where it's not seen as big problem if you have children. Workplaces where family or children are seen as problems are a big challenge for women. In Ericsson in Sweden, we made big changes about parental leave. We just equalled out between men and women in order to not make it a female thing, but a family thing. That has increased job satisfaction for women and for men. It allows you to feel like a more complete person. For a woman, to take some time off when you have a kid doesn't disqualify you because you're a woman, because the guys also do it.

You have different cultures and different ways of doing it in different countries, but it creates a level playing field so you don't get discriminated against. You are really odd if you don't take advantage of it. It has changed a lot. It used to be if you reviewed candidates for a job and looked at what's the likelihood of a female person versus male, you might say there is a higher risk the woman has kids and takes time off work for childbirth. Now you will look at both and say there's a high risk they will both have kids and take time off. It doesn't matter. They start to change fundamentals.

LR: How do you, as a leader, practice inclusive leadership? What does that mean to you?

HN: For me, it's very much about leadership. We talk a lot about leadership and the differences between being a leader and manager. A leader sets direction, gets the team to want to come with him or her, helps people and develops people, so you might be a leader and manager because you do certain administrative tasks that are part of the job, but it's not the only part of the job. Leadership really goes much deeper than being a line manager.

We also work a lot on the diversity aspect and being inclusive, which is about how to create diverse teams, because diverse teams will perform better. We're in a very difficult industry going through so much change -- we think it's a real risk to our future success if we don't have the best teams. Having the best teams covering the most diverse perspectives means diverse teams. To have that you need inclusive leadership to build teams with many different backgrounds, nationalities, genders, religions -- you name it! -- to make sure you can understand what's happening. Then you need functioning teams, so you need leaders who can create diversity and then make the diversity work together in an effective way.

Very practically, we all have targets on diversity in our team [including] hard targets on gender. We don't all have the same targets because it depends on when you start. My team is 50/50 on gender, which is a very good balance. I'm striving to keep it, but we also do mandatory training on unconscious bias and cultural awareness. It's not completely uncomplicated.

LR: In your opinion, how can the industry both hire more women and improve the pipeline so there are more qualified women to recruit?

HN: The biggest challenge is for the industry to make itself attractive to women and to other groups that haven't traditionally been in the industry. It's a big challenge, both for companies and the industry as a whole. Women don't search to become part of these companies. We have to do the traditional work at schools and universities to make sure young women understand the possibilities in the industry and what they can do to develop themselves to qualify, but it's also about the bigger picture, to make sure potential employees understand why they should want to be part of the industry, what it is we do, what we contribute, all the cool stuff... Sometimes, as an industry, we're not doing great on that.

I still meet people who think Ericsson is boring. It's the opposite of boring. Sometimes we only communicate with ourselves within the industry, so it's only those who are already here that know what we actually do, so we need to reach out and let them know who we really are.

LR: As a leader, what is the number one piece of personal advice you would give to help women achieve their goals in a male-dominated field?

HN: Make sure you work with the right people. Make sure you find the right boss and the right contacts for you to work with. Don't worry so much about the title or exact scope of the job; find the people. Very practically, if you are considering taking a job, think about who you would be working with. Seek out people you want to work with and actively try to become part of those groups. The people you should want to be with are the people you believe will give you a chance.

For a very personal example, when I took the head of communications job for Ericsson, it was a very big step. I would not done that if I wasn't convinced my boss -- despite the fact that I was the youngest and a woman and a newcomer -- would listen to me. I would never have taken the job if I didn't know he would listen to me. If he doesn't listen to me, I can't do my job. Of course, I have to listen to my boss, but it has to go both ways. That for me is super-important. Different people need other different people. Everyone needs to find the kind of people that will work for them and help them get where they want to go.

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kq4ym 11/29/2015 | 1:41:18 PM
Re: More diversity; more content Yes, it certainly true that diversity is necessary for the transformation but there's still probably lots of obstacles in the road in different cultures around the world. All the traditional excuses are falling slowly by the wayside, not the least where employers are now beginning see jobs "where it's not seen as big problem if you have children."
Sarah Thomas 11/18/2015 | 10:50:50 AM
Re: More diversity; more content Thanks for sharing this tool, Jade! Understanding the problem (and what it actually is versus what it's not) is the first step.
Jade 11/17/2015 | 3:07:11 PM
Re: More diversity; more content More and more diversity is coming of age for us women. Just came across a few technlogies that will help managers understand the potential with metrics; onei n particular looks cool for those wonks interested in this sort of stuff (www.diverst.com).

Keep the great articles soming :)
Mitch Wagner 11/16/2015 | 3:53:15 PM
Re: great time for women in tech If you only hire the same kinds of people, you only get the same kinds of ideas.
Sarah Thomas 11/16/2015 | 2:25:16 PM
Re: great time for women in tech Also, I want to live in Sweden!!!
Sarah Thomas 11/16/2015 | 2:24:51 PM
great time for women in tech It has come up several times that NOW is such a good time to get more women in tech. For one thing, as Norrman says, diversity helps transformation, and this is the biggest transformation the industry has seen in a long time. It should also be easier to promote the industry and interest more people in it given the focus on use cases and the applications of technology, as with 5G. And finally, the skill sets needed to excel in today's industry are shifting towards "softer skills" like analytics, people skills, collaboration, problem solving, etc. 
danielcawrey 11/16/2015 | 2:24:37 PM
People vs. Title Very interesting read! It's real important to pay less attention to title and focus on the people who you think will be effective in your workplace. That's the key for ensuring how successful an opportunity will be. 
jabailo 11/16/2015 | 2:07:00 PM
More diversity; more content From a business standpoint, every new diversity is a new market.    Assuming that we will never all sit down again and watch the same show at the same time (except for Super Bowls and tragedies) having diversity in content creates opportunities.   And with a world so large, even small markets can support creating and distribution market -- and managers who oversee them.

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