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Reader Poll: 3GPP, ITU Are Still the 5G Power Brokers

A large minority of Light Readers believe that traditional standards bodies, such as the ITU and 3GPP, will be the defining influence on the eventual 5G standard, according to our latest poll, Which Organizations Will Have Most Influence on the Development of the 5G Standard?

There is a good deal of competition -- some of it is even friendly! -- going on now to define 5G specifications. The 3rd Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) is hoping to have a completed radio specification in June 2018, while Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE: VZ) is planning a fixed wireless specification before that. (See 3GPP Wants to Complete Initial 5G Radio Spec in June 2018 and Verizon Updates 5G Spec, Could Launch Ahead of 3GPP for more.)

Nonetheless, despite governments, academic institutions, and a gaggle of carrier and vendor groups being involved, readers still believe that organizations such as the 3GPP and the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) will have the final say.


For all the latest news on 5G, visit the 5G site here on Light Reading.


Seventy-three people have responded to the poll so far. Of those, nearly 48% -- or 35 people -- said that traditional standards bodies are taking the 5G standards reins, while nearly 18% believe that individual carriers will lead the way. A further 15% believe individual vendors will lead, while nearly 14% think operator-led groups are heading the next-gen charge.

Of course it should be noted that there is a vast amount of overlap between the 3GPP and carrier and operator groups anyway, so influence on the 5G specs is bound to be a question of politicking, whatever happens.

You can still vote in the 5G standards poll and, of course, cast your vote in our new poll, What Will Be The Most Expensive Element of 5G to Deploy?

— Dan Jones, Mobile Editor, Light Reading

kq4ym 11/14/2016 | 11:38:50 AM
Re: What do you think? The trade off between distance and cost to install are indeed going to have a great bearing on just what's going to be possible yet efficient in infrastructure costs and maintenance. It's still going to be a guess what standards are going to be implemented and by whom though.
TV Monitor 11/3/2016 | 12:15:15 PM
Re: What do you think? Dan Jones

I haven't seen a single peep from AT&T about the ranges they cover.

Well, Ericsson's 15 Ghz 5G prototypes don't go very far. It is definitely a hotspot type system.

So you'll excuse if I take 2km with a raised eyebrow for the moment.

This is in Samsung's press release, back in 2013.

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-announces-worlds-first-5g-mmwave-mobile-technology

It transmits data in the millimeter-wave band at a frequency of 28 GHz at a speed of up to 1.056 Gbps to a distance of up to 2 kilometers.

"I would expect that at least a million small cells will be installed by carriers persuing 5G in the US will happen."

Not possible. While small 5G cells might be affordable, say $10K per pop, the manpower required to install and maintain them is not. I mean, there are only 500K Cable Wifi hotspots in the US, and it doesn't cost anything to deploy them because they are built into cable modems that cable customers are leasing.

This is why Samsung 5G cannot be beaten, because its super long range(compared to competing mmwave 5G solutions) enables a nationwide 5G depolyment with the smallest number of base stations, slightly more than current LTE basestation deployment.

Additionally, what would cell handover would be like if your 5G phone had to switch cells every 5 seconds in a hypothetical hotspot type 5G network in a highway cruising vehicle, as opposed to Samsung 5G which requires a cell handover in every minute or two due to its super long-range cell coverage?
DanJones 11/2/2016 | 5:51:48 PM
Re: What do you think? Good for  them!

 

I haven't seen a single peep from AT&T about the ranges they cover. So you'll excuse if I take 2km with a raised eyebrow for the moment.

 

I would expect that at least a million small cells will be installed by carriers persuing 5G in the US will happen. That's just what needs to be done. Not the same as towers though. 
TV Monitor 11/2/2016 | 5:43:30 PM
Re: What do you think? Dan Jones

Verizon is using its equipment at a lower power setting.

Samsung 5G can reach 2 km at normal cell site power, the related 30 Ghz MHN system intended to provide 1 gigabits/s wifi access to train and subway passengers has its access points installed at a 1 km interval and IS OPERATIONAL TODAY.

DanJones 11/2/2016 | 4:37:07 PM
Re: What do you think? Well, Verizon won't say exactly how far the 5G test hardware they're using will cover but it wasn't 2km.

 

In fact, CEO said testing at 500 yards to 1km:

http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/verizon-cleared-for-take-off-on-fixed-5g/d/d-id/725009

 

So someone  is telling porky pies here, or being very conservative. I've not known McAdam to be conservative in his statements generally.
TV Monitor 11/1/2016 | 1:27:11 PM
Re: What do you think? Anyhow, Ericsson, Nokia, Qualcomm's vision of scaled LTE in mmwave cannot beat Samsung 5G for one simple reason.

http://wallstreetpit.com/112211-att-vision-wireless-super-fast-pipe-dream/

"Additionally, given the technology's shorter wavelength, cellular sites will only cover short distances as the huge chunks of data are being transferred at a very rapid rate. This means that if AT&T continues to pursue 5G technology, they will require numerous cell towers placed close together throughout the country. And with AT&T's approximately 70,000 operational cellular sites to date, the company would require about a million towers to ensure 5G network is available nationwide."

Ericsson and Nokia's vision of a Hot Spot type short range mmwave 5G is fundamentally broken, Samsung 5G with its 2 km cell radius can directly replace LTE sites and require a far fewer cell sites to enable a nationwide deployment, this is why KT's talking about a 2019 nationwide roll out of Samsung 5G, because they would never be able to roll out a million base stations in such a short order.
TV Monitor 11/1/2016 | 1:06:42 PM
Re: What do you think? There is already a showdown between European 3GPP vendors and Samsung 5G coalition(KT/SK/Verizon), over subcarrier spacing issue. 3GPP vendors push for 15/30/60 Khz spacing, while Samsung 5G backers are pushing for 75 Khz.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/verizon-s-version-5g-not-compatible-3gpp-s-current-specs-or-easily-upgradeable-report

Specifically, Verizon's specs denote a sub-carrier spacing of 75 kHz, something Verizon unsuccessfully argued for inclusion in the standards during an August 3GPP RAN1 meeting, according to Thelander. But it's not included in the 3GPP's current specs, which call for subcarrier spacing for 5G New Radio (NR) to be 15 kHz, 30 kHz, 60 kHz, 120 kHz, etc., said Thelander, who's been tracking the standardization process, including the 75 kHz issue, in his firm's Signals Ahead publication.

75 Khz subcarrier spacing was carefully selected by Samsung as the most optimal subcarrier spacing based on their design principle of fewer higher power carriers reaching further, so both Verizon and KT are going with 75 Khz sub-carrier spacing. Samsung 5G coalition is unwilling to compromise over this, and this is why KT and SK Telecom will launch a nationwide Samsung 5G network in 2019, followed by Verizon, and ram their standards through 3GPP in 2019 as the world's only operational mmwave 5G standard.
DanJones 11/1/2016 | 10:23:16 AM
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