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Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching

Craig Matsumoto
1/29/2008

Juniper might also beat Nexus to market, at least with the smaller boxes. The EX 3200 and EX 4200 series are due to ship in March; the EX 8200 won't be coming until the second half of the year. (The first Nexus chassis ships in the second quarter.)

Boxes alone won't get Juniper into the hearts of enterprise users, however. Juniper spiced its announcement by bringing in big-name partners.

Early in the New York presentation, IBM took the stage to announce it's using Juniper's equipment as part of a managed security services offering.

Chris Rouland, chief technology officer of IBM's security systems group, also noted his company has big plans to take advantage of the SDK. Closed networks "have forced applications like threat mitigation and security to the edge of the network," he said -- which has given rise to a frequently quoted security maxim that the network is "hard on the outside and soft and chewy in the middle."

"I'm glad to hear it's more than just a security partnership. The fact that it goes all the way into IBM Global Services is positive," Daubenspeck says.

Juniper's hookup with IBM has been rumored for some time. Many observers think it's a logical move, because Cisco's data center advances -- the inclusion of storage networking in Nexus's story, for instance -- are beginning to encroach on IBM's turf.

Microsoft and Oracle representatives were due to speak at Juniper's New York event but had not taken the stage at press time.

— Craig Matsumoto, West Coast Editor, Light Reading

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Belzebutt
Belzebutt
12/5/2012 | 3:49:05 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
Gotta love how the demo for the 4200 claims Virtual Chassis is a "truly unique" feature. Nortel had that for last 10 years or so. The ES 450 all the way to the new 5500 and 4500 series all support stacking in a non-blocking way (unlike Cisco), managed as a single unit. Next thing you know Juniper will claim to invent the wheel!
ethermac
ethermac
12/5/2012 | 3:49:05 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
So, more or less we can say that with this EX4200 they have invented the stackable switch. As far as I know, even Cisco has something similar. First, they have the VSS1440 which, AFAIK, it's a couple of 6500 with an special Supervisor. And the concept of Virtual Switch it's also already present in the Catalyst 6500 too.

And of course, in the low end they have the E series of 3560 and 3750, with 64 Gbps of stacking.

And frankly speaking, to compare any of those switches with the Nexus (230 Gbps per slot) it's a joke.
andropat
andropat
12/5/2012 | 3:49:04 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
IT has everything to do with the how Juniper solves typical L2 issues in this solution. more to come.
pat
Light-bulb
Light-bulb
12/5/2012 | 3:49:04 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
To answer someone's question... I know from workign with the Cisco's 3750 line that the stacking allows full fault tolerance across the stack. Mastership, replacement etc. Granted unless you dual-home your boxes off of different switches in the stack you'll have a hit when you replace something but that's a no-brainer.
Personally, one must ask themselves... why would JNPR sell low end switches at all? They going to drop their drawers on price? They going to try and compete with the Huawei's, HP, Dells?
Their larger box is interesting... but what exactly is unique? What can they do that no one else can? Maybe I missed something?

LB
tsat
tsat
12/5/2012 | 3:49:04 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
Do traditional stackable switches have the same kind of redundancy and availability features as the EX? Do they do automatic mastership failover and backup mastership re-assignment? Can you hot-swap a box out of the stack and replace it without affecting the other boxes? Maybe they do, I am just not sure.
ethermac
ethermac
12/5/2012 | 3:49:03 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
Sorry, I didn't quote your message. The answer to:

Do traditional stackable switches have the same kind of redundancy and availability features as the EX? Do they do automatic mastership failover and backup mastership re-assignment? Can you hot-swap a box out of the stack and replace it without affecting the other boxes? Maybe they do, I am just not sure.

It's yes, they do
ethermac
ethermac
12/5/2012 | 3:49:03 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
Yes, they do.

raid
raid
12/5/2012 | 3:49:02 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching

Juniper probably wants to replace Foundry, Extreme, Force10 in the enterprise market - not the HP or Dells.

Their selling point is JunOS and they can be a viable second source + sell to folks who don't want to be Cisco customers. There's quite a bit of market out there.

Whether Juniper has a innovative HW design is not that important, IMHO.
What's critical is if they can build the box at low cost. If they selected the right suppliers and HW, they can probably hit similar margins to cisco and thus succeed.

raid
raid
12/5/2012 | 3:49:01 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
(1) Is the backplane a virtual one or an actual physical backplane?
(2) Does it provide full mesh type connectivity and 128Gb/s bandwidth across the 10 stackable switches.

Juniper claims to create a single "virtual" switch out of 10 stackables potentially located in different buildings. It does look like an new feature to me. Does any other switch vendor offer this kind of capability ?


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The EX 4200, the most unusual of the EXs, is what Juniper is calling a "virtual chassis." It's the same size as the EX 3200, but 10 of them can be interconnected across a 128-Gbit/s backplane, creating a virtual switch with up to 480 Gigabit Ethernet ports and 20 uplink ports of 10-Gbit/s Ethernet. The idea is to take up less space and require less cooling than a one-box modular switch
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douaibei
douaibei
12/5/2012 | 3:49:00 PM
re: Juniper Storms Into Ethernet Switching
the new release of EX series will give juniper a strong position in the whole switch market:

MX series targeting the carrier market
EX cover the enterprise market

JUNOS did give juniper more advantage to provide the new value added service which is quite critical to win the battle against cisco and huawei/3com

the question now is not where the product is good or bad but how to prove the enterprise users that juniper switch worth they attention.

Cisco has been very successful by promoting the certification for every engineer, but Juniper looks far behind the market.

Recommend action for cisco:
Beat juniper in enterprise with the E series product which support a lot of carrier feature and hard qos.

Leverage the concept of the network is the datacenter and the datacenter is the network which will pass more cisco advantage in the datacenter area to raise more concern of juniper solution. as the switch is just the dumb hardware but application feature will decide the Lan and wan solution.

Recommend action to Juniper:
Evilize the cisco image as a arrogant partner, leverage the good reputaion in the router market to promote more switch sale. at the same time juniper need to be aware that the low cost vendor like huawei/dlink/hp is in the low end market, juniper can leverage more innovation against them.

still not sure the price level of juniper product which may decide the true market position of juniper switch product line.

Good luck Juniper.
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