Light Reading
Networking company sues anonymous Light Reading message board posters for libel and defamation

Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders

Phil Harvey
News Analysis
Phil Harvey
12/21/2005
50%
50%

Juniper Networks Inc. (NYSE: JNPR) is taking a handful of Light Reading message board users to court, according to recent court filings.

The Sunnyvale, Calif., company filed a lawsuit in the California Superior Court of Santa Clara on December 14 claiming that it had been defamed and libeled by up to 10 persons unknown. These persons, referred to as "Does 1-10" in the court complaint (as in "John Doe," or anonymous), are being accused by Juniper of posting harmful statements about the company and its executives on Light Reading's message boards.

Only two anonymous message board users are identified in the complaint. One goes by the name "infranet_rulz" and the other by "exJuniper981." Juniper admits in the complaint that it doesn't yet know the names of any of the folks it's suing, but it will update its complaint with the courts as it gets details.

Whether or not Juniper can identify the users will come down to the courts, and whether there is enough information to go on. In certain cases, Internet companies have been asked by courts to release information about registered message board users.

According to Light Reading Inc.'s published Terms of Use: "When requested, Light Reading will cooperate fully with law enforcement agencies in any investigation of alleged illegal activity on the Internet."

Though public companies are often targets of rampant criticism and off-the-wall statements on Internet message boards, Juniper doesn't name any other message board provider in its suit. Indeed, the company appears to have homed in on Light Reading because of its notoriety in telecom circles.

"Light Reading is a popular source of information to individuals employed in the computer networking and security industry in which Juniper operates," the company says in its complaint.

One thing a lawsuit mentioning a media company won't do, experts say, is lessen the amount of attention such message board posts are likely to generate. "It seems sure to backfire if the intention was to silence their critics," says Jeff Ferrell, professor of criminal justice at TCU.

Ferrell also notes that, from outside a company, there's no easy way of knowing all the agendas involved in a decision to sue. Lawsuits of this type "will say as much about the company suing as it does about the message board users," he says.

On the other hand, Mike Lynn, a partner at Lynn Tillotson & Pinker says the threat the companies feel from message board posters is real. "As individuals involved in commercial speech become so powerful that they can move stocks and affect the value of companies, you'll see more of these lawsuits," he says.

Lynn, however, says proving that a company was hurt by message board posts is a tricky thing. His firm defended Visa in a case in which a plaintiff sought $670 million for Internet defamation in which an Internet firm claimed that posts on a Yahoo message board caused its stock to drop.

That company, Zixit, first sued "John Doe" and subpoenaed Yahoo for the user information, which it got. But even after the message poster was revealed, the jury in that case awarded nothing to the plaintiff.

So what messages have Juniper so upset? The complaint cites several messages, most of which allege that Juniper is bribing lawyers and spying on its employees.

The company's complaint cites an April 20 message that stated, "the man at the helm seems to be paying (off) attorneys all over the bay area to cover up the scandal which resulted in the terminations of many at the top including the VP of HR. 1) Board of director 2) CFO 3) GM 4) VP of engineering 5) VP of HR and more."

Another message cited in the complaint came a day later. According to the complaint, it said the "top management" at Juniper bribes attorneys, and that "the man at the top should join his buddy Bernie [Ebers (sic)]... "

Another message singled out in the complaint says: "This is a very unethical company."

Of course, Juniper critics can be found at other Internet message boards that aren't, as yet, mentioned in Juniper's complaint. "Arrogance coupled with timidity is a deadly combination in business. So, in short JNPR's problem is Kriens," said one Yahoo Inc. (Nasdaq: YHOO) message board post taking aim at Juniper's CEO Scott Kriens.

Juniper's complaint says the still nameless defendents must be stopped because these statements could lead to a "material decline" in Juniper's "profits and could cause permanent harm to Plaintiff's good reputation."

Executives at Light Reading had no comment on the lawsuit.

A Juniper spokeswoman says the company can't comment on pending litigation.

Juniper shares were trading up 0.08 (0.36%) to $22.12 in morning trading on Wednesday.

— Phil Harvey, News Editor, Light Reading

(79)  | 
Comment  | 
Print  | 
Newest First  |  Oldest First  |  Threaded View
Page 1 / 8   >   >>
alcaseltzer
50%
50%
alcaseltzer,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:07 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
No. The messages quoted seem pretty clear - to the layperson - to border on libelous.
DCITDave
50%
50%
DCITDave,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:07 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
So you'd define that as commercial speech, not protected by 1st amendment?

Another question: What do you think Juniper will do once it unmasks these posters? (I mean, "identifies." It's not clear that they were wearing masks).

ph
desiEngineer
50%
50%
desiEngineer,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:07 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
Does habeas corpus apply here? Is that what LR will have to cooperate with?

-desi
DCITDave
50%
50%
DCITDave,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:07 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
Does anyone feel weird about posting under a story that details a lawsuit about people posting under stories?

ph
metro_boy
50%
50%
metro_boy,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:06 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
The truth hurts, sticks and stones can break your bones but names will never hurt. So what Juniper has wronged poeple as well what goes around comes around.
LightGaugeGuitarString
50%
50%
LightGaugeGuitarString,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:06 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
Seems pretty obvious, they are looking to stop these users from posting. Even if they are not successful at getting any action or damages in court, it can result in extensive legal costs for the individuals.

The real question is what impact it will have on your posters?

LGGS
russ4br
50%
50%
russ4br,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:05 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
So what Juniper has wronged poeple as well what goes around comes around.

Might it be that they've wronged someone at LightReading? ... LR's coverage of JNPR has been pretty negative in the past few weeks. One example was selecting JNPR's "we have no M&A strategy" quote and displaying it on the main webpage. Disagreement over ad fees?

-russ
pastel
50%
50%
pastel,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:05 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
Phil - I can handle this one - MIB

First and foremost the said message boards of the public domain remain contentious and overburdensome, albeit of a private nature that was not to be condoned with the advent of the internet promoting the posting of said verbiage concerning Juniper or other companies either in or out of the forementioned afront to those that have posted.

It is imperative that the synerergies of the messages boards remain free from government intervention that could be considered subsequent to the nature of the post as accused by said company on those who impune free speech but don't understand the meaning of the constant change which requires us to rethink that of which came to pass before this in conjunction with the time change that is now upon us.

In conclusion the aftermath of the privacy considerations of the poster shall outweight that of the accuser unless the previous consideration has ramifications that would sustain the challenge of the courts that have brought to bear what the constitution has yet to challenge in accordance with the bill of rights as long as it is understood with the undoing seen before us.

I hope that clears up the situation. Thank you for allowing me to be clear & concise with you today.

-MIB
Mark Sebastyn
50%
50%
Mark Sebastyn,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:04 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders
I wrote the following post on my blog on TXCC. While it isn't nice, it is factual.

http://www.nyquistcapital.com/...

I have to admit that I was a little rattled when I got a website hit from TXCC's legal counsel. It showed up in the stat software as a recent referrer and I happened to catch it.

I'm not a big fan of anonymity on the internet. Particularly when it is used as a cover for libel and slander.
paolo.franzoi
50%
50%
paolo.franzoi,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 2:49:04 AM
re: Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders

I don't feel weird.

I think Juniper has to be really stretching here. The stock is off since the summer, but this does not seem to be related to a drop in business from a revenue or a gross profit standpoint.

To make a case stick one would have to show the damages. It is not clear that there are any actual damages. My guess is that Juniper wants people to post more appropriately. Does anybody know if the message board claims are valid or invalid?

seven
Page 1 / 8   >   >>
Flash Poll
From The Founder
It's clear to me that the communications industry is divided into two types of people, and only one is living in the real world.
LRTV Interviews
Liberty Global Sees Business Goldmine

12|18|14   |     |   (0) comments


Steen Sorensen, VP of business services for Liberty Global, explains where the giant international MSO sees growth potential.
LRTV Documentaries
EE: The Road to 5G

12|16|14   |   16:02   |   (1) comment


Andy Sutton, the principal network architect at UK mobile operator EE, explains how his company is using Wembley stadium as a wireless test bed and how that's helping EE to plan the evolution to 5G.
LRTV Huawei Video Resource Center
Highlights of Huawei's NFV Open Cloud Forum 2014

12|16|14   |     |   (0) comments


Huawei hosted its inaugural NFV Open Cloud Forum during the SDN & OpenFlow World Congress 2014 in Düsseldorf, Germany. The Forum brought together technology thought leaders, senior executives and telecom professionals from global carriers, industry associations, as well as other partner companies in the ecosystem, to exchange views on and collectively explore how ...
LRTV Custom TV
Realizing Operators' Digital Vision

12|16|14   |   5:23   |   (0) comments


Leveraging technology is fundamental to digital transformation but understanding customers and serving them really well is at the heart of digital businesses. TM Forum lists the following as the strategic pillars of the digital business: business agility and rapid innovation, operational agility and effectiveness, IT and data centricity, plus customer centricity. ...
LRTV Documentaries
US Cellular Injects Analytics Into LTE

12|16|14   |   2:57   |   (1) comment


US Cellular's Mario Vela explains how the operator uses analytics for network planning and what comes next as the carrier looks to eke more value out of its metrics.
LRTV Interviews
How Cox Biz Plans to Keep Growing

12|15|14   |     |   (2) comments


Steve Rowley, SVP of Cox Business, details how the third-biggest US MSO intends to boost its revenues to $2 billion and beyond over the rest of the decade
LRTV Huawei Video Resource Center
Interview With Bill Zhang, Director of SoftCOM Product Management, Huawei

12|15|14   |   2:50   |   (0) comments


Bill Zhang elaborated on Huawei's open philosophy in NFV solution development and network architecture design at the SDN & OpenFlow World Congress 2014.
LRTV Huawei Video Resource Center
Event Highlights: Huawei at SDN & OpenFlow World Congress 2014

12|15|14   |   3:43   |   (0) comments


Huawei joined the 2014 SDN & OpenFlow Congress as one of the key sponsors and contributors. At the event, Huawei reinforced the openness and flexibility of its network infrastructure strategies, and provided updates on its SDN and NVF innovations. Through participations at the exhibitions, forums and speeches, Huawei encouraged the industry to "think bigger and ...
LRTV Interviews
How Cable Biz Services Hit $10B Mark

12|12|14   |     |   (1) comment


Cable operators reached $10 billion in annual business services revenues by delving deeper into their vertical markets and expanding beyond the smallest firms.
LRTV Documentaries
Mediacom Aims to Test Connected Tractors

12|11|14   |   05:07   |   (3) comments


Cable business service provider is taking its services to the 'agribusiness' sector in partnership with farm equipment specialist John Deere and is getting involved in Gigabit Cities developments.
LRTV Interviews
TWC Business Looks Beyond $3B

12|10|14   |     |   (0) comments


TWC Business Services chief Phil Meeks explains how his unit has reached $3 billion in annual revenues and what its plans are for next year.
LRTV Documentaries
AT&T's New Security Strategy

12|10|14   |   02:36   |   (1) comment


AT&T's Chief Security Officer Ed Amoroso explains how his company is wrapping virtual security layers around micro network domains.
Upcoming Live Events
February 10, 2015, The Westin Peachtree Plaza, Atlanta, GA
March 17, 2015, The Cable Center, Denver, CO
April 14, 2015, The Westin Times Square, New York City, NY
May 6, 2015, McCormick Convention Center, Chicago, IL
May 13-14, 2015, The Westin Peachtree, Atlanta, GA
June 9-10, 2015, Chicago, IL
Hot Topics
Vodafone to Ride T-Mobile Back Into US
Dan Jones, Mobile Editor, 12/12/2014
1-Gig: Coming to a Small Town Near You
Jason Meyers, Senior Editor, Gigabit Cities/IoT, 12/17/2014
T-Mobile, BlackBerry Flirt With Reuniting
Sarah Reedy, Senior Editor, 12/17/2014
Gardner's Departure a Cautionary Tale
Carol Wilson, Editor-at-large, 12/12/2014
T-Mobile Lights Up 27 Wideband LTE Cities
Sarah Reedy, Senior Editor, 12/15/2014
Like Us on Facebook
Twitter Feed
Upcoming Webinars
Webinar Archive