DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 3:55:27 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT No, it doesn't indicated that they're happier. It indicates that they're not killing themselves at the same rate as the general population of France was in 2005. So you've proven nothing.
Almost Alcacent 12/5/2012 | 3:55:27 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT

Suicide is certainly a tragedy, but...

5 minutes on the web reveals;

1. An employee count at FT of 182,790

2. A suicide rate (2005) in France of;

   - 17.6 suicides per 100K (combined) per year

   - 26.4 suicides per 100K (Males) per year

   - 9.2 suicides per 100K (Female) per year

Therefore, doing the math, FT should have seen, in the past 18 months, 48 suicides.  This would indicate that, generally speaking, the employees of FT are a happier lot than the average Frenchman.

A different tale than the sensational headlines, Non?

brtechy 12/5/2012 | 3:55:26 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT

Sensational headlines will always be sensational headlines, but Phil is right... let's not forget you have to take into account not only the total suicide rate in France, but also the suicide rate among the social strata most prevalent at FT, which could (probably) not be considered to be equal to all of France's social strata.

To cut it short - no conclusions whatsoever, and the only real conclusion may be that the suicides at FT are being publicized, while as any Social Scientist knows that you SHOULD NOT do it, as the tendency is for suicides to increase as a result.

Let's go pursue Telecom topics please...


brtechy 12/5/2012 | 3:55:24 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT

Hi Ray,


Just to make clear I am not implying LR is the one with the sensational headlines, but my opinion continues to be the same - suicides are not supposed to be openly discussed, as it was proven time and again by numerous very serious studies that when you publicize them, you are actually increasing the chance of new suicides happening. This is based on social compliance, peer pressure, and several other complex social interactions that I leave to the academics to discuss.


Thanks for sharing the views.



digits 12/5/2012 | 3:55:24 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT Couple of things.

I just want to point out that this is not sensationalist coverage for the sake of it. FT has issued public statements and held press conferences in France about this issue, and FT is one of the biggest carriers in the world, so it is an issue that should not be ignored.

Also, as a global company, FT has many employees outside France, so an total headcount does not reflect the number of staff it has in its domestic market. At the end of June, FT had nearly 184,000 staff, of which about 101,000 were based in France.

Let's hope we don't have any cause to report on such issues again, whether at FT or elsewhere.


Stevery 12/5/2012 | 3:55:24 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT

as it was proven time and again by numerous very serious studies that when you publicize them, you are actually increasing the chance of new suicides happening.

brtechy:  I'd appreciate a link to a few of those studies.  TIA.

brtechy 12/5/2012 | 3:55:17 PM
re: Further Tragedy at FT

Hi Stevery,


Just to point you in the direction of two serious studies (Sudak&Sudak - University of Pennsylvania, and Gould - Columbia University):





The abstract for the first one is pretty clear:


"OBJECTIVE:&nbsp;The authors aim to inform readers of the theory that<sup>&nbsp;</sup>when newspapers, film, and television describe suicidal deaths,<sup>&nbsp;</sup>additional suicides may result by virtue of contagion or copy-cat<sup>&nbsp;</sup>effects; to review data that support and refute this theory;<sup>&nbsp;</sup>to present some promising and recommended ways to prevent copy-cat<sup>&nbsp;</sup>suicide; and to cite news-media examples of both particularly<sup>&nbsp;</sup>bad and good reporting.METHODS:&nbsp;A review of the literature<sup>&nbsp;</sup>on media-related suicide was conducted, which included reviewing<sup>&nbsp;</sup>materials published in scientific journals and data publishedby the U.S. Public Health Service, Centers for Disease Control,<sup>&nbsp;</sup>and materials from private, not-for-profit agencies.&nbsp;RESULTS:<sup>&nbsp;</sup>Data support an increased number of suicides resulting from<sup>&nbsp;</sup>media accounts of suicide that romanticize or dramatize the<sup>&nbsp;</sup>description of suicidal deaths. Specific guidelines for the<sup>&nbsp;</sup>media that may be able to decrease these additional deaths have<sup>&nbsp;</sup>been devised.&nbsp;CONCLUSION:&nbsp;Psychiatrists should be familiar with<sup>&nbsp;</sup>the harm that may result from improper reporting of suicide<sup>&nbsp;</sup>in the media since they may be called upon by reporters or family<sup>&nbsp;</sup>members following the suicide of one of their patients or following<sup>&nbsp;</sup>the suicide of a newsworthy person. Following the media guidelines<sup>&nbsp;</sup>available may prevent such contagion effects from occurring."


I hope it helps ;-)





Sign In