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KBode
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7/20/2017 | 2:01:30 PM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
"I suspect the improvement you saw on the smartphone had relatively little to do with 4K/UHD and much more to do with HDR."

Absolutely, I think HDR matters much more on mobile than 4K will, given the small screen and viewing distance. 
Phil_Britt
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7/20/2017 | 10:11:21 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
Had not thought about casting. That might provide the best of both worlds, allowing one to watch videos (like news broadcasts), where quality of video and size of screen don't matter, then switch to a larger screen TV for sports, movies or other content for which a larger screen greatly enhances the experience.
Gabriel Brown
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7/20/2017 | 10:03:29 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
Thanks. Maybe it was the HDR that made the video look amazing.

Another way that casting is useful is when someone sends you link, or you come across something on the Internet, it is a good way to get the video your big screen.

Example: this video is better on a bigger screen, with good sound, so...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fhD_DNGQY

1) click the link on mobile (where you discovered it) 

2) cast it to the TV

3) sit back and enjoy

Brand-name services (Netflix, Youtube, etc.) stream the correct format video to your HD TV. Your phone doesn't literally stream the video, afaik, but it can control it (pause, etc.)

Casting can be a bit hit or miss. A service like Vimeo might have the video you want but doesn't work with your casting set-up. Amazon has its own system, Google has another system, Apple probably has one, and so on. That side of it is all a bit of a bore.
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7/20/2017 | 9:02:03 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
The real impact of 4K is largely discernible only on larger screens (55-60 inches plus), so it's not a great driver on the smartphone. The UHD Alliance, a body that certifies UHD devices, uses the Ultra HD PREMIUM certification for TVs, but has a different classification altogether for mobile devices - MOBILE HDR PREMIUM - with parameters for dynamic range, color space and bit depth, because these are more important on smaller screens than resolution. I suspect the improvement you saw on the smartphone had relatively little to do with 4K/UHD and much more to do with HDR. 

The casting scenario is very interesting, though I have to admit I need to look more closely at the nuts and bolts required. The phone does offer navigation benefits over most TV guides, though they are getting better. It does depend though on how the casting works -- if it's actually streamed off the phone, then you are getting a video feed formatted for a phone screen being stretched on to a large screen TV. That's not going to be great quality. The other option is that the connected TV is simply told by the phone what content to pull, and the appropriate profile is pulled -- in which case it probably looks pretty decent. 
Gabriel Brown
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Gabriel Brown,
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7/20/2017 | 5:38:40 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
Oh, and another thing -- how about casting? 

Where you navigate the content on your smartphone because the app is better than the TV controls (e.g. to find the right content), but "cast" the video to the TV to actually watch it?

I guess this is a hybrid TV-Mobile experience.

It feels like a slow burn, but I do it now and again, and find it quite useful
Gabriel Brown
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7/20/2017 | 5:29:41 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
One theory I've heard is that smartphones will "power" consumption of 4K video, because

1) People get new smartphones more often than TVs, so 4K screens will penetrate the audience base faster

2) You hold  the phone closer to your eyes, and so can actually appreciate the higher resolution.

Does that make sense Adi?

4K video on high-end smartphones does look fantastic, for what that's worth. Personally, I don't watch that much video on mobile
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242ak,
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7/20/2017 | 4:48:16 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
It will be interesting to see how millennial consumption behaviors change as they age, and how much they change. Regardless of the era in which you grew up, weakening eyesight and a desire to to put your feet up at the end of the day, happens to us all eventually. Will they then come back to watching TV, or will they be so used to smartphones, they won't be able to switch back? 

And as Dennis points out, mobile networks and smartphones now allow us to view video at times when it simply wasn't available before. So that's essentially extra time in a day for video consumption, not cannibalizing video consumption on other devices. It may be that mobile video is pulling time from newspapers, magazines...or conversations. Or staring blankly into space, which appears to be a dying art. 
Phil_Britt
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7/19/2017 | 11:56:23 AM
Re: Paging Louis Sullivan
Mendyk is right. I bought a 40-inch TV a few years ago, mainly so I could have a larger, better screen for sports. Similarly, when using laptop at home office, I have it plugged into much larger screen. When one gets a little up in years, small screens for viewing just don't cut it.
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7/19/2017 | 11:27:46 AM
Paging Louis Sullivan
Adi -- My guess is that this is a case of form following function. Now that mobile video is available, it will be used by people who are somewhere other than their home. And that use will continue to grow until saturation point is reached. Maybe some "traditional TV" time will leak over to mobile devices, but it's hard to see that as a complete transition. So we end up with a more fragmented delivery structure, but not a completely new one.


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