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mhhfive
mhhfive
4/25/2017 | 11:16:15 AM
Nice to see Yahoo is so open about its experience...
It sounds like a lot of these lessons are the same as Google's behind the scenes tech, but less of it is home-grown, as Google's datacenters are. It will certainly be interesting to hear how Verizon integrates Yahoo and AOL's operations going forward, and I hope they keep up this kind of transparency from their engineering teams.
maryam@impact
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4/25/2017 | 11:51:01 AM
Re: Nice to see Yahoo is so open about its experience...
I agree, the open perspective is refreshing because it will hopefully allow other organizations to avoid their issues. Yahoo did miss the opportunity to capitalize on their base they started out as an innovator and quickly aged they remind me of Palm and Aol that had an incredible market advantage and could not innovate with the market. It is a lesson learned for the startups of today innovation is constant and resting on your laurels for even a moment is deadly.

 
JohnMason
JohnMason
4/25/2017 | 12:13:02 PM
Verizon effect
I understand that the Verizon acquisition of Yahoo, and Yahoo's transformation into the new company "Oath," may affect OpenStack down the road. Today I discovered from a colleague that his Verizon email account was being closed because, according to him, "Verizon is getting out of the email business." What would that mean for Yahoo-Oath, and OpenStack, if anything?
Scott_Ferguson
Scott_Ferguson
4/25/2017 | 12:20:23 PM
Re: Verizon effect
@John: That's a great point about the Verizon acquisition and if/how they use OpenStack. Verizon still runs its own cloud, correct? I wonder if they use OpenStack in anyway? I also know that the Verizon cloud is alledgedly up for sale, so does Yahoo go with that and then does the OpenStack stuff goes as well?
Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
4/25/2017 | 1:45:31 PM
Hiding & a-la-carte
"A successful private cloud needs to hide complexity"

 

"Hide" probably isn't the best word here (although some may indicate actually advocate that very meaning).  "Set aside," to my mind, is better.  You want that added functionality readily accessible as "advanced options" or whatnot.  The problem with a lot of GUI-based solutions, alas, is that they tend to be inflexibly one-size-fits-all -- leading to back-end problems and coders getting around those problems with undocumented backdoors.  The result: A messy, fundamentally broken infrastructure.

As for a-la-carte IaaS, I agree.  This sort of thing -- whether applied to IaaS or something else -- tends to lead to "Shadow IT" solutions and the like (again, leading to a messy, fundamentally broken infrastructure).
Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
4/25/2017 | 1:46:49 PM
Re: Verizon effect
Am I the only one seeing any significance in the notion that, when you abbreviate "OpenStack" to "OS," the pronounciation of that with a lisp becomes "Oath"?  ;)
mhhfive
mhhfive
4/25/2017 | 2:52:04 PM
Re: Nice to see Yahoo is so open about its experience...
AOL admittedly had a built-in expiration date because it relied on dialup technology and there was no practical path to offering DSL even at its peak. The investment necessary for AOL to become an ISP that could handle broadband would have been prohibitively expensive. AOL did what it had to do at the time (with Time Warner). I'm not sure how AOL could have done better? It still exists! Yahoo, on the other hand, had so many chances to revive itself... and it just couldn't overcome its own inertia.
mhhfive
mhhfive
4/25/2017 | 3:00:41 PM
Re: Verizon effect
I'm not sure Oath is such a great name but if you like it for whatever reasons then I guess it's better than sticking with AOL. I think at this point AOL doesn't have much positive connotation. It's basically email for old people now. And Yahoo is headed down the same path.
danielcawrey
danielcawrey
4/25/2017 | 3:52:38 PM
Re: Verizon effect
It's really sad to see what's happening with Yahoo and OpenStack. 

I actually had no idea Yahoo's services used the platform. If the company could have leveraged OpenStack into a power player for open systems, that would have been a great advantage. Sadly, this is not what has happened. 
mhhfive
mhhfive
4/25/2017 | 6:12:00 PM
Re: Verizon effect
> "... the Verizon cloud is alledgedly up for sale, so does Yahoo go with that and then does the OpenStack stuff goes as well?"

It will be interesting to see what happens to all the Yahoo properties that don't fit nicely under Verizon's umbrella. Will Tumblr shut down? Where does Flickr go? Yahoo acquired a LOT of startups over its lifetime, and it's not clear how any of them really fit with the company now or with its future parent company. 

Yahoo has a lot of datacenter capacity that absorbed a lot of these web services, but if Verizon doesn't have the same kind of appetite for trying to scale up web startups, what's going to happen to Yahoo's datacenters? Will Verizon try to spin off Yahoo's datacenter operations like an AWS wannabe? Or is the cloud industry already too cluttered for yet another cloud service the size of Yahoo? 
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