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EMFConsu32321
EMFConsu32321
7/8/2016 | 7:13:11 PM
Biological Microwave Experiment

Consumers are increasing the demand for more bandwidth (volume of data) at an exponential rate.  The telecom companies are racing to keep up.  There are thousands of peer reviewed studies that show there is biological harm at radiation levels 10, 100 & 1,000 times below the drastically outdated FCC Thermal maximum permisable eposure limits (MPE).  The FCC will not even look at biological damage because it would mean a severe reduction in current radaition levels.  The evidence is damming and the harm is very great.

I have three sudies in my briefcase that show that severity and variety of human injury increases the closer you get to a cell antenna and that 90% of symptoms go away when the cell antenna is removed.  Go figure!

We need precation before we deploy any more microwave power density upon civillians.  Us it on an army base or in the halls of the U.S. Congress first.

Eric Windheim BBEC, EMRS,

Building Biologist, Electromagnetic Radiation Specialist

WindheimEMFsolutions.com
jayakd0
jayakd0
6/1/2016 | 10:11:51 PM
what about other fauna and flora ?
Interesting discussions, wish the standard bodies take notice of our fellow readers' contributions :)

Hope we should also discuss (with equal seriousness) what is the effect of mm waves on other forms of life on this planet!
Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
6/1/2016 | 7:54:58 PM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
>  More likely it's a nice money grab for the university.

Is that not the point of all grant-funded studies?  ;)
TV Monitor
TV Monitor
5/18/2016 | 12:12:52 PM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
t.bogataj

" I should have known that some specimens are hopeless."

Look who's talking.

"some further advice."

No need for your advice. Actually, you need mine.

" Open http://www.neteera.com/imgs/site/ntext/PMB2009-TheElectromagnetic.pdf "

And what does that study got to do with 28~70 Ghz frequency as used in 5G? It's 75 Ghz and up in that study.

Additionally, take a look at Figure 11. The reflection coefficient of human palm is 0.56 at 75 Ghz, and almost certainly be much higher at 28 Ghz if measured, even though palm is one of less reflective dry body parts.

Your body is mostly covered with moist skin, and the reflection cofficient can reach as high as 0.9 in frequencies designated for 5G communications.

"I am concluding at this point -- sapienti sat."

And I have disproven you.
t.bogataj
t.bogataj
5/18/2016 | 4:00:26 AM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
TV Monitor,

I was glad to see you were finally trying to learn. I was wrong and naive. I should have known that some specimens are hopeless.

Nevertheless, some further advice.

First, do read the very article you referred to (I mean READ). If you do not understand what the S-parametres are, ask your colleagues (outside your marketing department).

Second, follow the trail. Open http://www.neteera.com/imgs/site/ntext/PMB2009-TheElectromagnetic.pdf and read the article (I mean READ). If you do not understand what it is about, ask your colleagues (outside your marketing department).

In the end, you may be able to understand about small reflection coefficients, mostly below 0.1. Which will confirm my earlier claim that majority of EM waves penetrates the body. QED.

I am concluding at this point -- sapienti sat.

T.
TV Monitor
TV Monitor
5/17/2016 | 2:08:17 PM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
t.bogataj

"Read the graphs in Figs. 2 and 3 of your second reference: S11 of the boundary is above -5dB for frequencies in question. Which confirms my earlier claim that majority of EM waves penetrates the body; in this case, around 70 %. Period. QED."

What are you talking about? Figure 2 shows magitute of -2 ~ - 2.5 db for forearms. This is the skin type that covers most of your body.

Finger tip has -4.5 db, but finger tip is exactly finger tip.

In other word, most of mmwave reflects back off your skin with a minimal signal attenuation.

You just disproved and owned yourself, Mr. self-destructing suicide bomber! LOL!

How can you own yourself not just once but twice?
t.bogataj
t.bogataj
5/17/2016 | 1:42:47 PM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
TV Monitor,

Finally! You seem to be doing your homework. It may take some time for you to be able to grasp it all, but keep pursuing the goal. No one is bound to be a loser, and everybody can at some point reach an acceptable level of mediocrity. Some day, you may win too.

Read the graphs in Figs. 2 and 3 of your second reference: S11 of the boundary is above -5dB for frequencies in question. Which confirms my earlier claim that majority of EM waves penetrates the body; in this case, around 70 %. Period. QED.

To properly interpret the figures in Fig. 4, you will need to understand how EM waves cross two subsequent boundaries. Back to the books, TV Monitor!

T.
TV Monitor
TV Monitor
5/17/2016 | 12:46:35 PM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
t. bogataj

"if this is the best (and only?) source you can refer to -- too bad for you."

The mmwave reflection coefficient of human skin is very high based on an actual measurement.

http://purl.tue.nl/55608121517719.pdf

It is less watery tissue like finger nail that's less reflective, but skin will reflect most of mmwave back. And think about it, 24~30 Ghz was specifically chosen by mmwave scanner vendors for this very high reflection coefficient property, and the proposed 28 Ghz 5G falls within this frequency spectrum.

So I won, you lost.
t.bogataj
t.bogataj
5/17/2016 | 12:08:54 PM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
TV Monitor,

if this is the best (and only?) source you can refer to -- too bad for you.

Never heard of a reflection coefficient? No? In the "Propagation of EM waves" section? No?

I warmly suggest you to write about things you DO understand.

For your enlightenment: when an EM wave passes a boundary between matters with different EM properties (read: ε and μ), a part of it reflects back, the other penetrates further, as dictated by the reflection coefficient (read: Γ). In case of scanners, Γ is small but not negligible, just big enough to produce detectable reading. Vast majority of EM waves penetrates the body, in which it is absorbed due to non-negligible conductivity and small penetration depth.

(Back) to school, TV Monitor.

T.
TV Monitor
TV Monitor
5/17/2016 | 11:24:39 AM
Re: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links cellphone usage to brain cancer."
t.bogataj

Some refresher for you.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/millimeter-wave-scanner.htm

"The other type of scanner uses a competing technology known as millimeter wave (mmw) imaging. These machines work on the same principles, except they emit a special type of microwave, not X-ray. Two rotating transmitters produce the waves as a passenger stands still inside the machine. The energy passes through clothing, bounces off the person's skin -- as well as any potential threats -- and then returns to two receivers, which send images, front and back, to an operator station."

So you learned a small thing you didn't know today.

If the mmwave actually penetrates skin like X-ray, then the whole mmwave scanning at airports do not work.

It is this bounding off property that is used to achieve NLOS(Non-Line Of Sight) link in mmwave communication.

So repeat after me to ensure that you have learned your lesson correctly.

Low frequency wave penerates. (Hence the cellphone brain cancer scare)

High frequency wave bounces off.

Got that?
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