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Sarah Thomas
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2/26/2016 | 2:13:50 PM
Re: Bias. It's real. Deal with it.
Thanks, Brian. All excellent points and presented with legitimate sources. Much better than unsubstantiated, grossly general claims. 
Sarah Thomas
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2/26/2016 | 2:12:53 PM
Re: cultural fits
Thanks, Carol (and everyone else!), for weighing in on this. I think you captured the goal of Women in Comms perfectly. 
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2/26/2016 | 2:06:38 PM
Bias. It's real. Deal with it.
When people are presented with identical resumes, one with a nominally (pun intended) male name on it and the other with a female name on it, the  candidate perceived to be male is more likely to be considered for hire. (1)

Male students think other male students are smarter than female classmates, even when the women have better grades (2)

Male software engineers rate the code written by women as superior, but only if the gender of the coder is hidden. If they know the software engineer is a woman, they rate the code more harshly. (3)

If you present men with clear evidence of bias, they discount the research. (4)

What if one of the major brain wiring differences between men and women turns out to be that men are more likely to be "hardwired" to be condescending and self-righteous? 

--Brian Santo

References

(1) http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.full

(2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/16/the-remarkably-different-answers-men-and-women-give-when-asked-whos-the-smartest-in-the-class/

(3) http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/12/women-considered-better-coders-hide-gender-github

(4) http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/10/19/3713612/men-ignore-hard-evidence-of-gender-bias/

 
cnwedit
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2/26/2016 | 10:48:02 AM
Re: cultural fits
In theory, I agree with you, Seven, but in practice we tend as humans to gravitate toward people most like us. And that occasionally means we overlook talent when it comes in less familiar packages. 

The tech industry is constantly looking for new talent and is going to need more and more Why not engage in efforts that open the doors to a wider pool of that talent and ensure that anyone interested doesn't face unnecessary barriers? 

That's what efforts such as Women in Comms are all about. As I've said over and over again, it isn't about gender diversity for its own sake. 
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2/26/2016 | 10:13:57 AM
Re: cultural fits
Yes, it does seem there's more going on than the excuse in the survey that there plenty of qualified men. but "only 50% said there were enough women." It's going to be a slower road than most imagined to get diversity moving along in lots of corporations it seems.
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2/25/2016 | 12:19:24 PM
Re: cultural fits
Carol,

I would say that the variation between individuals within a gender greatly exceeds any difference between the genders.  Doesn't that render us to evaluate a person at a time instead of any group by gender (and in fact I would add that this applies to all of our traditional stereotypes of race, religion, etc.)?

seven

 
cnwedit
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2/25/2016 | 11:26:59 AM
Re: cultural fits
Apparently at least one male brain also favors selective reading and narrow-minded thinking. 

The goal of efforts like Women in Comms is to remove the barriers that currently impact women who are interested in math, science and technology. The goal is not gender balance for its own sake, it is recognizing that there are, in fact, genuine benefits to having a gender balanced approach.

Arguments like yours have been used over the years to keep women out of medicine - where they are perfectly capable of being good doctors - and out of the legal profession, where they are perfectly capable of being good lawyers and judges. Women have been told they can't be athletes and they can't be leaders. In every case, when barriers were removed, they excelled. 

We look back at that thinking now and recognize its foolishness. I can guarantee that 100 years from now, the "tech industry" will look back on thinking like yours as foolishness as well.
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2/25/2016 | 10:59:54 AM
Re: cultural fits
Carol Wilson

OK, believe in what you want and deny inherent gender differences in brain wiring, but I can guarantee you that 100 years from now, the "tech industry" will still be dominated by men, because the tech profession favors male brain over female brain. You cannot undo the effect of biology and turn female brain into male brain. You need to understand that a male brain is created by not adding stuff, but by destroying specific circuitry via neural pruning.

It is futile to achieve a gender balance in math, engineering, and hard sciences, the real objective should be overall gender equity in employment rates and hourly wages, even if it's not across same industries.
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2/25/2016 | 4:34:54 AM
Oh dear
I fear we may have strayed into this territory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
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2/24/2016 | 7:03:54 PM
Re: cultural fits
 
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