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2/23/2016 | 7:34:06 PM
Re: It *will* be!
kq4ym

"then Brocade and ATT&T and other that move forward without the firm standards"

US carriers are forced to adopt the Samsung 5G because this is one of two standards with a strong smartphone support from Samsung and LG and backed by the FCC under its 28 Ghz 5G sprectrum policy.

The other one is called TD-LTE+ to be used by the Chinese, Softbank, and Sprint. This one too will enjoy a strong smartphone support from Chinese vendors and Apple.

European one is basically dead on arrival, because there is no smartphone support for it and it will be deployed much later than the Samsung 5G and the TD-LTE+.
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2/23/2016 | 3:56:44 PM
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This is setting up to be a potential mess. By reasonable accounts, 5G will be a lot more than a "speed" upgrade -- it will require a completely new infrastructure. It's too early to say, but it would not be a surprise if the gun-jumpers simply come up with higher-capacity services and slap the 5G label on them. So we will have at least a few years of debating what is and what isn't "true 5G." The mobile industry has been down this road before.
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2/23/2016 | 3:45:08 PM
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If it proves true that "the industry can't wait for formal 5G standards to emerge, according to a Brocade executive," then Brocade and ATT&T and other that move forward without the firm standards might well have a head start over those that wait.
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2/16/2016 | 6:43:04 PM
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Solid air? Wait, what?
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2/16/2016 | 6:14:47 PM
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Dan Jones

"Well, Samsung didn't even manage to get the 28GHz band (yeah, yeah, I know, adjacent band) taken up at the WRC last year, so how loud is their voice exactly?"

Samsung asked for 24~40 Ghz, and they got their wish. Samsung's technolgy can cover 24~40 Ghz and is not tied to 28 Ghz.

On the other hand, Ericsson, Huawei, and NTT Docomo didn't get what they asked for. Nokia got the 60~80 Ghz band they asked for but didn't get the 8 Ghz band.

So the biggest winner coming out of WRC-15 was Samsung, as the structuring of 5G spectrum favors Samsung's technology decisively while excluding the possibility of rival technologies. NTT Docomo officials were complaining how they were even supposed to launch 5G at the Tokyo Olympics in 2020, now that they didn't get the spectrum they asked for and the Tokyo Olympic Stadium no longer has a dome. Supposedly the Japanese 5G demo depends on an array of antennas placed on the Tokyo Main Stadium's dome but the dome was eliminated in the budget cut.

"It doesn't pay to take any vendor at their word on the delivery of next-gen technology. There's so much that can happen to cause schedules to slip."

Not in this case since all the parties involved have their honors to defend by launching the 5G network at 2018 Pyeongchang Olympics. You bet they will be working 100 hours a week if they have to in order to meet the deadline. Samsung actually did this before, where they scrapped the original Galaxy S6 and launched the Project Zero in September 2014 after the iPhone 6 launch shock, to build a totally new Galaxy S6 from scratch and finished the thing in 6 months. Of course Samsung engineers had to work 100 hours a week to make that happen and got totally burned out, and this is the reason why the Galaxy S7 is a refreshed S6.

And Galaxy S6 thing is nothing compared to the the live launching of 5G network in February 2018 in terms of importance.
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2/16/2016 | 5:35:17 PM
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Well, Samsung didn't even manage to get the 28GHz band (yeah, yeah, I know, adjacent band) taken up at the WRC last year, so how loud is their voice exactly?

I'm sure that Samsung 28GHz system will be in the running in early 5G trials. But I also remember Samsung Networks talking up how big 4G would be for them in 2005, how they had 220 patents etc, etc, etc. Didn't really work out for them did it?

It doesn't pay to take any vendor at their word on the delivery of next-gen technology. There's so much that can happen to cause schedules to slip. Maybe you weren't around for deployment of 3G (a complete fiasco in the US to be frank), 4G (better but still...), but I was. A LOT can happen in 2 years.
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2/16/2016 | 5:07:36 PM
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Dan Jones

Let's take a look at what will happen in 2018. By early 2018, there will be the Korean 5G network, fully operational and demonstrated before thousands of world reporters with a working phone model vs other candidates still in lab experiemental stage. Guess whose voice would be the loudest when the final 5G interface is decided at ITU WRC-18 in late 2018, the vendor with an operational 5G system or the vendor with a hypotherical 5G system still in the lab?

This is why Huawei is desperate to demonstrate its TD-LTE+ network and Ericsson its 15 Ghz NX network at Russian World Cup in 2018, in hopes of making a voice at the ITU WRC-18. This is because 2018 is the make or break year for 5G standardization.

To be honest, I expect Huawei to make a stronger impression that Ericsson at the Russian World Cup, because Huawei can build both basestations and phones while Ericsson can't.
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2/16/2016 | 4:52:43 PM
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And AT&T and Verizon will start 5G field tests in 2016, doesn't mean any single one of them will get to define the air interface!
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2/16/2016 | 4:38:31 PM
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Dan Jones

"Arguably, 5G isn't *even* a solidified air interface yet!"

Tell that to Koreans who are already building a network on its 28 Ghz 5G interface. This first 5G network will be completed by Spring of 2017 and enter a stabilization phase.
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2/16/2016 | 1:10:24 PM
It *will* be!
Arguably, 5G isn't *even* a solidified air interface yet!


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