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bosco_pcs
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bosco_pcs,
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8/6/2014 | 5:43:15 AM
Re: Play well with others?
@nasimon,

I suppose time will tell but instead of lifting just a couple of my statements, I hope you will consider everything I have said. After all, we all agree the two companies have very different cultures and IBM has not been doing so well.

But my case is precisely because of these - and not in spite of - factors that IBM will try to make it work. Mind you, it is no longer the one calling the shot like the last two times when the two companies tried to partner together.

Additionally, while Apple may have very shape minds, in terms of technologies, design and marketing, have you heard of its consulting in the corporate environment?

So you are right that they have very different markets. But again it is precisely of that fact that turf war might be minimized!

Just a thought but I think it won't take long to find out. Perhaps in less than a year time
nasimson
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8/5/2014 | 11:31:23 PM
Re: Play well with others?
> I think the real speculation is if this is the first step of integration
> relationship of the two companies.

Really? I dont think its going to happen. The two companies operate with very different cultures in very different markets. Partnershpip on cloud is OK - although I dont have very high hopes.

But integration on a broader level would be a good example of a situation where 1+1=less than two.
Mitch Wagner
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7/22/2014 | 8:37:15 PM
Re: Big change for Apple
Some corporate users are reportedly asking for their BlackBerrys back.
sam masud
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7/21/2014 | 3:55:12 PM
Cui bono?
With nine straight quarters of declining sales, it's likely IBM needs such a partnership more than Apple. For the rest of the story on Big Blue, here's a very interesting article that was published last week:

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/1-5-million-per-scalp-at-microsoft-another-folly-of-monetary-central-planning/

PS: loved the music video...might consider launching a site called LightTube :-)
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7/21/2014 | 3:49:23 PM
Re: Play well with others?
Valid points indeed, Lets wait and see, If it works out I will be excited, if they break up early on, I wont be surprised either. 
bosco_pcs
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bosco_pcs,
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7/21/2014 | 3:43:35 PM
Re: Play well with others?
Perhaps it is a matter of opinion. However, I'd like to add another salient point. Mr Tim Cook was a IBMer. He is likely to be aware of IBM's culture. Incidentally, I knew he came from Campaq but I was quite surprised to learn of his IBM background because the late Jobs wasn't really nice to Ms Ellen Hancock upon his return from exile. Another plus is he is also an operational guy deep down.

I guess we need to define "mess it up." I mean, except for the 100 or so Apps and the servicing provided by IBM, there is little downside risk. Huge cost to Apple? No. Watson worse than Siri? I don't think so. Each ruins the other's reputation? Unlikely.
thebulk
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7/21/2014 | 3:28:01 PM
Re: Play well with others?
@bosco_pcs, 

I agree it will be an amazing partnership, as well as with the strides both CEOs have made, but I do not think it will take a lot to mess it up, until its well established I think it will be touch and go. 
bosco_pcs
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bosco_pcs,
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7/21/2014 | 1:20:06 PM
Re: Play well with others?
They could certainly mess up because of turf war but the incentive is huge for both. Imagine using Apple as the gateway to Watson!

More important, it is not your father's Apple or IBM. CEO Cook has done a lot of silo busting since he took the reign at Apple. And CEO Rometty's fate has a lot to ride on this partnership. I suspect the progress of this partnership will be a topic at her senior staff meeting on a daily basis.

Technically, it is absolutely complementary and even synergistic. It will take a lot to mess it up!

I think the real speculation is if this is the first step of integration relationship of the two companies. Mind you, IBM doesn't really sell PC anymore. What's stopping it from paddling iMac and MacBook beyond this MobilityFirst partnership? And if IBM succeeds in unloading the server biz to Lenovo, AIX may be the way of the past too. And what about the rumor about fusing iOS and OSX? So Apple can save a ton from scaling up sales at the enterprise level while IBM can collect a nice cut without spending a ton of R&D down the road.

With that in mind, I am sure both CEOs will have the directives to their respective staffs to pull out all the stops or risk a call to the carpet

 

 
DHagar
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7/21/2014 | 12:41:00 PM
Re: Big change for Apple
@danielcawrey, agreed.  It has created a perfect alignment of products and capabilities.  I believe this can overcome past limits, such as thebulk points out, where Apple wants to have the game to themselves.  These companies get credit for recognizing the shift and taking full advantage of what they can create together.

 
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7/20/2014 | 3:36:54 PM
Re: Big change for Apple
Over the past few years, I have seen a huge shift away from Blackberries to iOS in the enterprise. And Apple has been trying to get its enterprise act together by giving larger companies some direct access to be able to build big business solutions. 

It seems that the IBM deal was inevitable. Both companies need each other to compete against Google and Amazon. Those three are winning in the enterprise business -who would have thought that five years ago?
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