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KBode
KBode
12/10/2013 | 12:46:50 PM
Price?
Unfortunate there's still no work on price or full deployment numbers on this fiber to the press release effort. While I applaud anybody offering 1 Gbps, these launches by AT&T and CenturyLink feel geared more toward giving the impression of being cutting edge, than actually being cutting edge. Kind of like playing PR pattycake with Google Fiber while tens of millions of their users are actually on quite expensive, capped and slow DSL lines nobody wants to upgrade anytime in the next decade.

Also probably worth noting that at launch these select few 1 Gbps customers will see 300 Mbps, with 1 Gbps not expected until next year.
DanJones
DanJones
12/10/2013 | 12:49:15 PM
Re: Price?
No word on price or any other cities going AT&T 1-Gig from the CEO.


What I reported was the extent of what he said about it.

 
KBode
KBode
12/10/2013 | 1:02:15 PM
Re: Price?
Yeah I assumed that was the extent of it. Was just commenting regarding previous announcements about the effort.

I still think it's rather amusing they continue to stick to the idea that a company with a history of being a little skittish on network upgrades just happened to have a 1 Gbps plan sitting in the wings, and that the launch announcement had absolutely nothing to do with Google Fiber coming to Austin. :)

I suppose they'd then have to admit that competition works, and I know AT&T hates to acknowledge that the current sector is anything less than incredibly competitive already.
DanJones
DanJones
12/10/2013 | 1:10:27 PM
Re: Price?
Has anyone actually done a list of all the 1-Gig projects & plans in the US yet? Seems like that might be useful in understanding what's going on.
KBode
KBode
12/10/2013 | 1:16:11 PM
Re: Price?
Somebody did a basic list, I think it was Ars Technica or GigaOM. Can't find it now. I'll post it if I can remember where it was.

Between existing projects like Utopia, Chattanooga, Google Fiber, Gigabit Squared inititiatives and others the overall number is getting significant. It's important and I don't mean to downplay them.

Though real-world 1 Gbps availability number crunching gets hard; most of these fiber to the press release announcements by the likes of AT&T and CenturyLink quite intentionally go out of their way to avoid providing coverage metrics of any kind (quite frankly because we're really talking about just a few, high end developments for PR effect). 
DanJones
DanJones
12/10/2013 | 1:26:40 PM
Re: Price?
Right

Hopefully its like LTE where it took 18 months before coverage became significant and a couple of years before US competition was a serious thing.


More gating factors to Gigabit fiber I suspect. Still, I keep seeing new projects, might have to start a running list.
Sarah Thomas
Sarah Thomas
12/10/2013 | 2:15:58 PM
Re: Price?
Fiber-to-the-press-release! Love the new acronym for our industry -- FTTPR.
KBode
KBode
12/10/2013 | 2:29:02 PM
Re: Price?
I totally expect royalties on its use! :)
BBCMAG
BBCMAG
12/10/2013 | 2:40:06 PM
Re: Price?
Broadband Communities has a list of all the fiber-to-the-home deployers here:

www.fiberville.com

Not all are gigabit speed, of course, but a lot of them are now adding gigabit tiers. (This was supposed to be a reply to the question about a list.)
DanJones
DanJones
12/10/2013 | 3:00:13 PM
Re: Price?
Thanks!
Liz Greenberg
Liz Greenberg
12/10/2013 | 4:14:33 PM
Re: Price?
@kbode...you nailed it or should I say that you aimed a laser sharp beam of light on the PR antics of our friends at AT&T and elsewhere.  FTTPR is going to take hold but it will still get grouped with the FTTx stuff so be prepared and don't cry when it happens.  :-}
albreznick
albreznick
12/10/2013 | 6:22:24 PM
Re: Price?
I love it. So now it should be Verizon's turn to announce a 1 Gig offering, no? And then Comcast can come out and top it again and we can keep playing the almost meaningless but always entertainin speed game. 
KBode
KBode
12/10/2013 | 6:37:15 PM
Re: Price?
I suppose the difference is that Verizon did bother to invest in FTTH and can offer 300-500 Mbps to a large portion of their footprint. Comcast too can now offer 300-500 Mbps via DOCSIS 3.0 and some FTTH deployments.

Contrast that to AT&T, who shirked more serious network upgrades at most opportunities, yet somehow is the one crowing about 1 Gbps even though most of their customers are very lucky if they're able to get 45 Mbps. Tens of millions of AT&T users are on sub 6 Mbps DSL lines with 150 GB caps.

So there's playing the PR marketing game with speeds most users may not need (which most ISPs are doing), and then there's actively trying to pretend you're more cutting edge than you actually are.
albreznick
albreznick
12/10/2013 | 9:16:55 PM
Re: Price?
So how far do you think AT&T will play this? Will they do 1 Gig in other markets too if they run into a Google Fiber again? Or have they already shot their wad, so to speak? 
KBode
KBode
12/11/2013 | 8:54:56 AM
Re: Price?
For quite a few years they technically did deploy fiber to the home to higher-end developments, though they capped those users at traditional VDSL speeds (usually no faster than 18 to 24 Mbps). My guess is they're simply going to take the limits off of those users then heavily hype them to suggest AT&T's more cutting edge than they actually are -- even though the total impacted customer base will be relatively minor and the vast, vast majority of users still won't be seeing next-gen speeds.

All this will be happening while AT&T is busy hanging up on the tens of millions of DSL users they don't want to upgrade as part of their "IP transition." The media will fixate on the limited 1 Gbps deployment, while ignoring the reality that most of their DSL users are losing service so AT&T can force heavily capped LTE on them.
albreznick
albreznick
12/13/2013 | 5:44:36 PM
Re: Price?
Good points. So where are those long-time DSL users going? Isn't AT&T upgrading most of them to U-verse? That's what their earnings reports seem to suggst.

Alan

  
KBode
KBode
12/13/2013 | 5:48:46 PM
Re: Price?
A good chunk are upgraded to U-Verse, but another sizeable chunk are headed to cable. AT&T and Verizon tend to bury those specifics. In Verizon's case they're happy to see them flee to cable, as cable will just pitch them a Verizon LTE connection. I believe AT&T's going to take the more direct approach and push all of their unwanted DSL users to LTE, arguing it's "just as good" as fixed service. At $15 per GB overage fees, and with LTE signals not reaching many regions (or parts of the house) it's certainly not.
Phil_Britt
Phil_Britt
12/17/2013 | 9:31:26 AM
Re: Price?
If DSL users hadn't already felt like poor cousins, they would likely soon as faster services, either from AT&T or competitors, became available.

Makes sense that AT&T wouldn't try to keep these subscribers on an inferior service. This is similar to Verizon replacing the copper wire service destroyed by Hurricane Sandy with broadband wireless.
KBode
KBode
12/17/2013 | 9:44:42 AM
Re: Price?
They really want them to start heading over to LTE. Which is part of the reason AT&T has been capping DSL users (who they don't want) but not U-Verse users (they want, for now).


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