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R Clark
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R Clark,
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9/3/2013 | 3:46:16 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
Impressive number, but just about unreachable for Australia with a small workforce and trying to build out in multiple locations across a huge area.  NBN Co has had huge trouble getting subcontractors to do the last mile work. It's paid them very low rates, has had a lot of disputes, with quite a few just walking off - in one case removijng the fibre they'd just laid.

I think nothing wrong with a government tipping money into essential infrastructure, but you need to make sure it's executed properly. A new government monopoly without the active support of the biggest player in the market seems like the ideal formula for failure.

R Clark
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R Clark,
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9/3/2013 | 3:34:10 AM
Re: A bad year
To be fair, we have shamed outselves at rugby as well.
brookseven
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8/29/2013 | 9:53:54 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
Carol.

I completely disagree with your "poor carriers" commentary.  They do not judge investments on IF they will make a profit on them.  ALL carrier investments (or essentially ALL) make profits.  The question is HOW FAST does a carrier make a profit on the investment.

Nobody ever said that FiOS was not going to be profitable.  What they kept saying is that there were more investments that had faster ROI.

Small carriers are different in some ways here.  But the budgets at AT&T and Verizon are limited by a timeframe on the ROI not the fact of an ROI.

 

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mendyk
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8/29/2013 | 9:25:52 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
Hi, Carol -- How is building out two networks lunacy? That's basically what most markets have now -- one telco and one cable. They aren't both FTTP yet, but that's probably just a matter of time.
Carol Wilson
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Carol Wilson,
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8/29/2013 | 8:57:55 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
I'd agree that U.S. carriers are not likely to accept open access at this stage but I'd disagree that allowing private commercial interests to completely drive telecom is the best policy, even if it's what the U.S. has long since adopted. US private companies are driven by the quarter-to-quarter investment mentality of Wall Street, which leaves little room for the long-range planning required to do telecom right. That's largely why today's telecom industry finds itself in the current bind of having to invest heavily to prepare their networks for a tsunami of wireless data traffic without being certain how they will monetize that investment and earn a proper return when most of the value in mobile broadband is being ascribed to the devices and the applications.

And yes, not only is the US stuck with high broadband prices but also with 30% of the country still lacking real broadband. 

And Google's "innovation" is to overbuild current networks with FTTP that is, at least in some part, subsidized by the favored city in which they are building. 

The Australian approach may not be the model I made it out to be - although it may not be as bad as some politicians are saying - but an open access approach is the much more logical model going forward. And building TWO competing FTTP networks, as is now proposed in Austin, is sheer lunacy. 
Carol Wilson
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Carol Wilson,
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8/29/2013 | 8:51:13 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
Wow - I was unaware of the copper wiring difference in Australia and will check out the Web site below. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. 
L33Tpraetorian
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8/29/2013 | 8:48:37 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
It is a TERRIBLE idea, don't buy into the coalitions bullshit. If FTTN could have been done, it wouldve been done by now, yet telstra declined in 2004, and i quote Ziggy S:

"Telstra is not interested in pursuing VDSL. We are not trialling VDSL. We see fibre to the premises as the most likely technology to support very high speed access services of the future,"

http://www.zdnet.com/telstra-vdsl-no-thanks-1139167116/

Why do you think they did this? Could it because they knew that the copper rolled out in the UK, US and other nations that implemented FTTN was 24 AWG (0.5mm). Where as the copper in our existing infrastructure (by Telstra's own submission to the ACCC) is a majority of 26 AWG wire (0.4mm) in urban area's and 0.32mm in CBD's.

Why does it matter? Due to the skin effect in AC transmission systems, the thinner a wire is the more attenuation it has (the more signal drops off). Because of this thinner wire WE CANT get the speeds the libs have been quoting. Vectoring only works up to 400m and even then this is assuming you have no joins or any other sources of interferance.

FTTN is a stupid way to go given what we've seen in NZ, France, Singapore, the Netherlands and more. I've tried to raise as much awareness as i can. I created a website:

http://savethenbn.com/


Homepage: Applications facilitated by fast reliable net

Technology: Brief overview of terms and implementations

Economics: The TRUE costs associated with implementations and economic benefits.

Political: Who benefits out of each scheme, why FTTN CANNOT possibly work.

It's more then a 5min read but it's well worth it.
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186k,
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8/29/2013 | 5:00:15 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
Yes Carol, I did read your article the other day referring to NBN and thought that's hardly a model to aspire to. There is one area of industry privatisation that is pretty much universally regarded as positive and that is telecoms and the state backed NBN seemed to be a real throw back to another less effective era in telecoms

It makes my head hurt thinking about how hard they've made it for themselves in Australia and I still don't quite get the logic of Telstra closing networks down


ps your "open access" approach might be all well and good and might in theory offer the greatest net benefit to society but there is absolutely no way that the US fixed players are going to surrender their de facto xDSL/cable duopoly voluntarily - never. The US missed it's chance for something similar to the local loop unbundling we have in Europe and it looks like the country is now stuck (aside from Google fibre areas) with some of the highest broadband charges on the planet

 
mendyk
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mendyk,
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8/28/2013 | 11:12:08 AM
Re: Just something you guys should know....
Advocates of small government are now doing the happy I-told-you-so dance.
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8/28/2013 | 11:03:24 AM
A bad year
First they can't win a Test Match and now this. Not a good year for the Aussies. Shame.
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