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fhe 12/4/2012 | 11:41:46 PM
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ray_of_light 12/4/2012 | 11:41:46 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Can't agree with Mr. Graham more. Why should qualified American Citizen candidates be overlooked for job opportunities given to foreigners? In many cases I believe in some cases, HR departments mandate reverse discrimination. This is BS!!
DoTheMath 12/4/2012 | 11:41:45 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill This kind of bill will only accelerate IT jobs moving overseas. Its "benefits" to nativists would be miniscule and very short-lived.

Which genius in this forum thinks that some piece of work just CANNOT (as in mathematically impossible) to do elsewhere. Anything done in silicon valley or route 128 or RTP or Dallas can be replicated anywhere - all it requires is the human will and the motivation and the capital. This bill will inadvertantly supply all of the above (not the capital, but it will incentivize capital to move out or to be more precise, not to move in).

Japan, which was once a beneficiary of such in-migration of jobs (autos, ships, textiles, electronics ...) is now facing jobs moving out. There was a NY Times article which said how most Japanese find it inconceivable to have foreigners in their midst. This mindset will prolong their stagnation, and will kill any hope of economic dynamism for a long time to come. Japan faces massive capital flight - no Japanese company worth its name will create one more factory in Japan today. With zero immigration, Japan faces increasing unemployment. Why?

Conversely, in the past 10 years, there were 20+ million migrants who poured into the US; the net effect on employment was a big positive. If the nativists are right, these 20+ million people should have displaced Americans in large numbers. Why didn't it happen?
lob 12/4/2012 | 11:41:44 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Xenophobia overrides reason, I guess...

Instead of getting an Indian guy into US so he'll compete with locals at nearly their salary (he has to pay rent and taxes, just like locals - and have no benefit of established social network and native-speaker communication skills) we'll get the same guy at 1/3 of the salary and actually more competitive (due to being a local) working for an outsourcer in Bangalore.

American high-tech workers should be very interested in getting all potential competitors into US, so their cost of living would be the same, instead of allowing them to have the same living standards at a fraction of what it costs Americans!
recession2002 12/4/2012 | 11:41:43 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill think about the consequence of sending all of
them back. They have been learning our stuff/tech
for the last few years. If we send them back,
then the company will move some of the projects back to India and pay them as little as $10K. Many
companies in Valley like Cisco, SUN Micro,
Oracle, MSFT and more has sites in India and
is expanding. Sending them back will accelerate
the project movement to India. The best solution
is to keep them here and no more lousy coming
except they have advanced degree in top
graduate school like the following:
Founder of SUN Microsystem, Except scot and
bill joy. The other 2 are foreigners.
recession2002 12/4/2012 | 11:41:43 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill To be the leader in technology, US has to
absorb, even better get as many talents from
the world as possible. I strongly recommend
that US should keep the top notch, definitely
not every one of the 200K in-flow. I mean
the top 5% who can contribute to the new
technology, not those who just get the
job done. In fact the 95% really hurt the
US workers because it is cheaper to keep
them because they have better skills and
companies are not willing to invest on
the US workers.
snarfulent 12/4/2012 | 11:41:43 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Attract the best people in the world, bring them to the US, facilitate the progress of their naturalization, and now they _are_ US workers. This has always been a key part of US success.

A few of the more marginal second and third-generation American workers will lose out to these more capable first-generation "new" Americans. That's the way that free markets work, they're competitive. A good thing.

wirespeed1010 12/4/2012 | 11:41:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill let all the stupid u.s. companies go set up shop in foreign countries. see if i care. i just love talking to "syed" when i call Ford's customer support!! it will only expose the crap that continues in this country. i can't wait for the public outrage to flare when more companies open offices in other countries. besides, being a native born californian (non-white), i always thought of my damn engineering job as technical slave labor... here and abroad!! no different from paying 7 year old indonesian girls pennies a day to make $100 banana republic shirts!!!!!
MrRubbery 12/4/2012 | 11:41:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill I didn't know the US needed Parmaceutical imports.
recession2002 12/4/2012 | 11:41:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Interesting knowing that when I was in graduate
school(Berkeley)more than 70% of grad students
are foreigners. Does it tell you where the
engineering talents go? I didn't mean that
American is dump, some of them are not.
However, their education system(K-12) sucks.
I learnt Calculus in grade 10, the
American learns it in grade 12 or in college.
I study the college text book in grade 11 when
American study it in Freshman or Sofmore.
How could they compete? I got scholarship
to Berkeley grad school while the American
is struggling to pass the SAT test.
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