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lob 12/4/2012 | 11:39:43 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill > You neither belong to India or US or any
> other county.

_I_ belong to the mankind. Not to some bunch of legalized bandits (calling themselves "the government") running protection racket to "defend" me from other bunches of nearly indistinguishable bandits. Well-being of mankind is my only allegiance.

Sure, I am a citizen of few countries (US included) - but not entirely by my choice. I'd rather go leave some fingerprints and answer few silly questions about why there's so many stars and stripes than be humiliated and harassed every time I want to visit my friends or have business to do in some other part of the world.

Nationalism is dead and stinking. Who better should know that than the people who actually made the network which transcends borders and cultures?
kampar 12/4/2012 | 11:39:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill
Maybe if we all club together we could buy him a new keyboard ... sveral kys stil seem to be mising on his curnt deck.

BTW - in case you hadn't noticed the outsource software development market in India is in as bad a shape as the market in the US ... guess which nation they were doing most of their work for ... I've been getting calls multiple times per week asking if there is any work that could be outsourced ... and it's not because they are so busy they need more work to pipeline ...
optical_man 12/4/2012 | 11:39:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Oops,
bad sentence:

but unless you want the same type of Apple folk you had last month invading these boards (racists on both ends)

NEVER meant to state Apple folk were racist. Was trying to show how 'extremely opinionated' folk are drawn to, and find certain web sites, and if you want a calm discussion you shouldn't bring up certain issues, unless you want to see fringe elements.
That said, Apple is fringe, but wholesome Americans!!!
Go Steve Jobs!! Keep the creative employed!
optical_man 12/4/2012 | 11:39:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill LR,
This thread, while entertaining at first, has now devolved into race baiting garbage.
Please close the thread.
I'd rather argue ATM vs IP. No one ever firebombed anything b/c they were implementing ATM.
Your 'unique hits' will continue to rise, but unless you want the same type of Apple folk you had last month invading these boards (racists on both ends), please close this line of discussion now.
Wonder_light 12/4/2012 | 11:39:42 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill As pointed out a while back by
people on the board, BobbyMax
is East Indian himself.
dbostan 12/4/2012 | 11:39:41 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Interesting article in The Washington Times:
jc_iii 12/4/2012 | 11:39:41 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill The companies (through their paid puppets in Washington) get their fast track visas, but the folks with the brains who came here during the boom, when they were needed, live in limbo for years waiting for slow-track green cards. And those who give up waiting today and say to hell with it, will become tomorrow's offshore (or northshore) labor. More power to 'em.
mmmBeer 12/4/2012 | 11:39:41 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill
This is getting way too racist. Please shut this down.

Hope the economy and job market get better soon. I think the recession is bringing out the worst in a lot of people.
erbiumfiber 12/4/2012 | 11:39:40 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill Worked at a telecom start-up that (surprise!) went belly-up in April of 2002. Worked part-time and picked up another degree; couldn't find anything decent with the Iraq War about to start (most of early 2003) and took a job in Japan that opened up (not surprisingly) because US patent attorneys are getting too pricey and with Japan's economy in the toilet it was cheaper to hire a couple of US patent attorneys and bring them to Tokyo. Interesting to be an "H1-B" visa person myself.

Some comments on Japan. No the country is not perfect but the salary disparities seen in the US (and, in particular, the obscene CEO salaries) are non-exisitent. Due to their protectionist economy, nearly everything I buy was made in Japan and is pricey because of a complex, mult-tier distribution system that keeps a lot of people employed. The result is a population that is overwhelmingly middle-class with a low tax rate (hey, no military conflicts to support) of 11% that I think is pretty flat.

Are Americans willing to live with less and buy only more expensive American-made products? No, I don't think so. Part of the difference between a nearly completely homogeneous culture and a diverse culture.

I no longer own a car, live in a small apartment (large by Tokyo standards) and make less than I would had I taken a job in the US. Having lived in a greedy Washington suburb where money was king I am much happier. I think we need to look at our American lifestyle and what it takes to finance that lifestyle and are all our "toys" really necessary? Yes, America could have full employment but a lot of people would have to scale down their expectations (especially those at the top) and it's not going to happen. Just looking at the growing gap between rich and poor and think whether we need to re-order our priorities (PS, I am not a bleeding-heart liberal). Living abroad has definitely opened my eyes to a lot of things...good luck to all those still out of work, I know it's tough and demoralizing...
ronjfon2 12/4/2012 | 11:39:39 PM
re: Workers Oppose H-1B Bill I am not reading and racist remarks. Is the truth racist ?

US citizens need to do more to get US citizens employed. Note, no one is saying white citizens, or excluding black, indian, chinese, japanese, italian, mexican, ... from the list.

Employment for US citizen. We have too many H1-B's. Their cut rate salaries are unfair to the average american worker. If you are blind to the facts, I am sorry to hear it.
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