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sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:58:20 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Indy_lite:
The border that China recognizes is the border between [India/Pakistan] & China before[India/Pakistan] became slaves of UK. UK attempted to conquer Tibet afterwards, and thus created the border dispute, because India thought the UK's claim should be its own claim.
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Indy_lite, take a breath of fresh air, and consider this very carefully - you do have a point, the border dispute had been inherited from colonial masters. However, rewriting history with force (or correcting perceived historical wrongs) is hardly a solution.

At one time the Mongols ruled nearly all of china, right up to the middle east. If today, by some miracle, mongolia acquired the status of a superpower, would they be justified in claiming by force, what was the LARGEST empire in recorded history. Think about it.

Neither I, nor you, had an aorta of control over the what the british did, or didn't do. Why fret and fume over it NOW?
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 1:58:19 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing yesh like I said, trade and people contacts can
flourish (china-japan/india/korea/usa) even when
N-missiles are pointed at each other. so no
need to fly off the handle at the "shocking" (to you) revelation that India is doing precisely what china has done for sometime now -- point a knife at india directly from tibet and yunnan and
via pak.

I think shanghai or shenzhen would be a fair
trade for bangalore or delhi. let the matter remain there.


jbagh 12/5/2012 | 1:58:17 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Indy_Lite : The border that China recognizes is the border between [India/Pakistan] & China before[India/Pakistan] became slaves of UK. UK attempted to conquer Tibet afterwards, and thus created the border dispute, because India thought the UK's claim should be its own claim.
>>>>>> Tibet was a independent country and so there was no question of a border between India and China. The border between India and Tibet was always an undemarcated border with the populations of each side moving across for trade, pilgrimage & education from time immemorial. The border became an issue after China illegally occupied the nation of Tibet and violently suppressed the culture and religion , committed genocide on the Tibetan population and started moving large numbers of Han chinese into Tibet. The chinese followed this by killing Tibetans who were trying to escape repression by following the Dalai Lama to India. The main mistake stupid Nehru did was to not intervene militarily in Tibet in the early 50's when China attacked Tibet.
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Indy-Lite : In 1962, when Chairman Mao learned that Indians used to sell Opium in China under Englishman's name, and they are now trying claim land using the same Englishman's map.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here you are revising history just to support your hatred of India. The "East India Company" that dumped opium in China was a English company with Englishmen controlling everything. Other than some Indians working in this company in clerical posts , Indians had no say in the trade.
The Opium was of course grown in the Company conquered territory of Bengal, where the English forced the Indians to replace food crops with opium which they could forcefully dump in China.
This caused famines in India and of course terrible damage in China. My own sympathies are with China in this episode. But it is disingenuous of you to blame the opium trade war on Indians ( whatever be your grouse with Indians ) when both Indians and Chinese were victims of English imperialism. ( I suggest you read the book "Late Victorian Holocausts by Mike Davis " to get a better understanding of this ).
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Indy_Lite : He ordered Chinese troops to teach the English dark dogs a leasson. A month later, Chinese troops were walking on New Deli's streets.
>>>>>>> Granted the Chinese won the 62 war in terms of their limited strategic aims , but they never got anywhere near New Delhi. It is however true that the Sikh and Bengal Regiments did walk thru the streets of Peking during the Boxer rebellion. From what I read in the various historical books about the Boxer rebellion , the chinese ladies were quiet attracted to these dark turbanned soldiers.
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Indy_lite 12/5/2012 | 1:58:16 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing The border between India and Tibet was always an undemarcated border with the populations of each side moving across for trade, pilgrimage & education from time immemorial. The border became an issue after China illegally occupied the nation of Tibet and violently suppressed the culture and religion , committed genocide on the Tibetan population and started moving large numbers of Han chinese into Tibet.

The border between India and Pakistan was not an issue when English assigned officials to rule Indians at all levels, with the populations of each side moving across for trade, pilgrimage & education from time immemorial. There was no religious tension either.

It became an issue when Englishman illegally and violently left India, and with no culture and religion suppression from England, there emerged two enenmies between India and Pakistan. Each trying to be America/UK's friend at the other side's expense, and by all means. There is large number of population movement at hot spot Kashmia between India and Pakistan.

(China had trouble moving people from east coast to its northwest area, which is much better land than anywhere in the southwest, moving Han to Tibet ?)
sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:58:15 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Indy_lite:
It became an issue when Englishman illegally and violently left India, and with no culture and religion suppression from England, there emerged two enenmies between India and Pakistan.
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Are you seriously telling us that you have no clue about the age-old English colonial trick of divide and rule? It worked beautifully in India, dividing the society along religious lines.

And in some quixotic fashion, there seems to be serious differences of opinion between I and you, around the *exact* role of the English ... Good heavens.
Indy_lite 12/5/2012 | 1:58:13 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing And in some quixotic fashion, there seems to be serious differences of opinion between I and you, around the *exact* role of the English

I have stated several times in the past about the "English colonial trick of divide and rule". So there is no difference between you and me here. Unfortunately, brahmos seems to be still fooled by the English trick, as the whole thing started with msg #51 from brahmos: "india doesnt need to reach london or nyc, the targets are all in eastern coast of china. 5000km is enuf." The English trick is still working, and that is very sad - and that's the purpose of my post to wake the brahmos's up.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2002...

http://www.centurychina.com/pl...

http://www.china.org.cn/englis...
Indy_lite 12/5/2012 | 1:58:12 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing This will be my last message ever at LightReading:

EBAY is soaring, sad, I don't work for EBAY. I work for some crappy company that makes equipment to power the internet for EBAY to make all the money.. Time to change career!!
sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:58:10 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Indy_lite,

Thanks for the links. It's good to get a chinese perspective on this, without the use of invective.

But face the fact, "Peaceful liberation" of tibet, sounds awfully like the liberation of Iraq. If Tibet hadn't happened, China and India would still be friends. Possibly allies, and the most formidable power bloc on the planet. The misadventures in Tibet undid everything.

Similarly, claims about a "major" attack by the Indian forces in 1962 are a bit of a stretch. Everyone knows that the poorly equipped Indian army of those days wasn't really capable of launching a major offensive.

And, you can't possibly deny that china has armed pakistan, a major irritant for India.

China didn't really have to threaten peace in the region to achieve "peaceful settlement of the border dispute".
flam 12/5/2012 | 1:58:10 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing This will be my last message ever at LightReading:

Okay, thank you kindly.


EBAY is soaring, sad, I don't work for EBAY. I work for some crappy company that makes equipment to power the internet for EBAY to make all the money.. Time to change career!!


Huh?

sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:58:09 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Indy,

What's the chinese name for the Himalayas?

thanks,
Sigint
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