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sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:56:46 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing lightbay:
There is no fairness in the world, money and power rules. Even with Tibet, China and India can be friends, when one dominates the other - like US and Mexico or Canada; Russia and Ukraine, UK and northern ireland.
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Yes, lightbay, china and India can be friends, with or without Tibet. The alarm bells in India rang loud and clear when Tibet happened, and that soured relationships. Tibet acted as a natural buffer between the territories of India and China for ages, making direct conflict impractical for either side. With that changing, the threat became real.

You sound like a reasonable guy, and I'll share some info with you. To be honest, I'm no neo-buddhist who would care about what happens to the people of Tibet. I'm a resident of Bangalore, it so once happened that I had parked my car in a parking area reserved for motorcycles. The police promptly towed my car away.

I landed up at the police station to retrieve my car at about midnight and found that the cops had rounded up prostituted in the central part of bangalore. All of these were yound Tibetan women. Is that the kind of liberation you were talking about? Most Chinese folks are in denial about this. A very real human problem.

Give the Tibetans at least a special status, and religious freedom. Take the refugees back, they have a right to a home. The world would be proud of China and the magnanimity of Chinese people.
lightbay 12/5/2012 | 1:57:28 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing But face the fact, "Peaceful liberation" of tibet, sounds awfully like the liberation of Iraq. If Tibet hadn't happened, China and India would still be friends. Possibly allies, and the most formidable power bloc on the planet.

- USA bio weapon to Iraq against Iranian invasion, to Afghan against Russian invasion; Russia weapon sold to Iran was called support of terrists, Chinese weapons to anywhere is support of terrists; Weapon to the same people in Pakistan is called anti-terrism.

- when the USA invaded Vietnam, it was called liberation the country from communism. 30 years later, the same communist party still in power, but USA is back to Vietnam, it is called "Economic Globalization".

- US liberation of Florida, Texas, Arizona ...

- British liberation of India-Pakistan, Iraq ...

- Mongolian liberation of Bulgeria, Hungary ...

There is no fairness in the world, money and power rules. Even with Tibet, China and India can be friends, when one dominates the other - like US and Mexico or Canada; Russia and Ukraine, UK and northern ireland.
sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:57:33 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing brahmos:
..same for the maoist rebellion in Nepal.
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In fact, this is one of the most under-reported problems. The maoist rebels in Nepal have fraternal ties to the Naxals (Maoist-Leninist, as they call themseleves), and these days arms are trafficked through the Nepal border into Bihar, and southwards to Jharkhand, Madhyapradesh, Chhattisgarh and Andhra. With the Kashmir problems easing off a bit, the Naxal problem is the major remaining terrorist threat that India has to contend with. Even if China didn't start it, they do add fuel to the fire.
sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:57:40 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing edgesansonet:
Most Indians I met in Calcutta were ignorant of their external problems ala most Americans.
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Calcutta is very political - people are obsessed with local politics out there, to the exclusion of much about anything else.

edgesansonet:
Simply said, they seemed brainwashed by themselves into song-and-dance movies or the British sport called Cricket.
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And television soap operas. However, the emerging class of young Indians that's career concious has only one remaining obsession, and that's cricket.
(it's a game of intense strategy making, try it!)You might be surprised by how politically aware people are and how intense political discussions can get to become.

edgesansonet:
Doesnt that say something about why Indians/Chinese that come to USA think different? May be, it is the place. US society allows even immigrants a chance to look at problems more realistically. It is a good testament to that.
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I had heard of an engineer from one of the Services companies who was posted at a customer site in the US last year, at about the time the US was on the verge of declaring hostilities in Iraq. He received some anti-war mail, and forwarded it around to a few American co-workers. One of the recipients [who probably had switched to freedom-fries in preference to the french variety :)], complained to the management. The Indian engineer was promptly asked to pack his bags and leave.

It's not the place, it's the circumstances and time that matter. If you had met people in Calcutta during the Kargil conflict, you'd have heard more intense discussions on foreign affairs and military policy.

sigint 12/5/2012 | 1:57:40 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing lightbay:
The biggest power generating dam that be built anywhere in the world sits right inside the disputed area between China and India. If built, it would be 4 times larger than that of the current largest Three Gorges Dam. Enough to supply 20% of India's or 10% of China's eletricity consuption.
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the himalayan region you speak of ("terai", as it's called in India) is a seismic time bomb. i think it wouldn't be prudent to indulge in heavy engineering out there.

edgesansonet 12/5/2012 | 1:57:49 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing >> I thought 99% of people in HK are Chinese, 1% British leftovers, isn't this right ?

Yes...ethnically they are Chinese but they were under British commonwealth till 1997. Even today, they retain some iota of democracy though the real political power is in the hands of the CEO, a CCP politburo appointee.


>> Maybe you are brainwashed by CNN and Fox News wihtough noticing it, like those Germans by Nazis, or Chinese by communists.

I do not watch Fox News. Remember CNN is more balanced than any other news channel. PBS is a good site to begin with.
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lightbay 12/5/2012 | 1:57:50 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing FACT:

The biggest power generating dam that be built anywhere in the world sits right inside the disputed area between China and India. If built, it would be 4 times larger than that of the current largest Three Gorges Dam. Enough to supply 20% of India's or 10% of China's eletricity consuption.

QUESTION:

Would this ever built ?
edgesansonet 12/5/2012 | 1:57:51 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing That kinda brings me to the point. I have been to China, Hong Kong, Singapore and India. Of all the street guys that I met, Hong Kong guys seem to have more balanced views than Chinese or Indians. Most Indians I met in Calcutta were ignorant of their external problems ala most Americans. Simply said, they seemed brainwashed by themselves into song-and-dance movies or the British sport called Cricket. Chinese on the other hand were totally brainwashed into communist propaganda ala Nazis, may be a trifle less cruel though. Doesnt that say something about why Indians/Chinese that come to USA think different? May be, it is the place. US society allows even immigrants a chance to look at problems more realistically. It is a good testament to that. I am an immigrant myself who came here when I was very young.
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lightbay 12/5/2012 | 1:57:51 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Hong Kong guys seem to have more balanced views than Chinese or Indians.

I thought 99% of people in HK are Chinese, 1% British leftovers, isn't this right ?

Most Indians I met in Calcutta were ignorant of their external problems ala most Americans

Isn't happiness the most important thing in life ?

US society allows even immigrants a chance to look at problems more realistically. It is a good testament to that. I am an immigrant myself who came here when I was very young

Maybe you are brainwashed by CNN and Fox News wihtough noticing it, like those Germans by Nazis, or Chinese by communists.

Followed some link in early post, found this interesting:
http://us.rediff.com/news/2002...
By a POW of the 1962 war - he seemed to be a high level office because he was under Gen Kaul who was under direct command of Jawaharlal Nehru.
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 1:57:54 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing > ....Brahmos appears to have stayed in the US
> too long. Average Indians have little interest
> in any conflict outside the sub-continent.

1. if you are dealing with Pak, you are dealing
with the ripe fruits of PRC proliferation. its
one and the same. shrewd people do not directly
attack , they use a cats paw. if you are dealing
with the bangladesh based terrorist orgs, again
follow the trail to where the arms comes from...
..same for the maoist rebellion in Nepal.

2. average movie/cricket fanatic doesnt get to
run foreign policy - thankfully :-) let them live
in their own little cocoon and be happy.

3. the decision makers do care a lot for PRC,
so you see A2/A3 one one side (useless for Pak)
and strong & growing trade relations on the other.
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