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fair_juror 12/5/2012 | 2:01:29 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing ATMRules said:
Why do I never see any Indians swinging a hammer? Funny I don't see any Indian electricians....as a matter of fact I don't see any Indian plumbers, cops...ambulance medic, city employees...
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Please see the work visa (e.g. H1) rules. If you see non-Americans being electricians, plumbers and swinging hammers it means they must be illegal immigrants. You can't get a H1B visa to be a plumber or electrician or cop etc. Similarly you won't get a visa if you want to work at/set up a 7/11. You may also want to refer to the requirements for a business visa (B1).

Suggestion: you see few Indians in such places because Indians are more law-abiding/law-fearing and don't tend to immigrate illegally.

ATMRules 12/5/2012 | 2:01:29 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Why do I never see any Indians swinging a hammer? Funny I don't see any Indian electricians....as a matter of fact I don't see any Indian plumbers, cops...ambulance medic, city employees...

All I ever see is Indian software engineers or Doctor's...oh there is of course the usual exceptions....minding the store at the 7-11...of course they just don't work there...they own it.....oh I forgot they've got the Airport jobs locked down too........
truelight 12/5/2012 | 2:01:26 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing ATM point taken.

The shortage of high-tech workers in the nineties justified the visa. Indians are very good software programmers. In general the Indians/Chiense that enter this country are degree level educated. You do see a lot of Mexicans in CA working in such roles tho and they are nearly all illegal.





vinu 12/5/2012 | 2:01:25 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing again i contest this.....
there r so many indians out there in the persian gulf (saudi arabia, baharin, kuwait.....) who do all the work u were mentioning.....
we have been outsourcing every type of jobs.....
its that u guys in the US (believe u r from the US....) have seen only one face....
and that is probably y we in india have got things so right in the tech offshoring also......
vinu 12/5/2012 | 2:01:25 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing oh please.....
u want to enjoy cheap goods and services..... but u got to know that nothing comes cheap..... u have to pay the cost in the long run.....
the offshoring is just one of the faces of globalization that is proving to be unpopular in the developed world as its affecting the most vocal parts of the society...... the middle class.....
but out here in india (and many other 3rd world countries) we see another face of it..... the destruction of the lives of farmers and of the village economy...... and this has to do with the massive subsidies that the devoloped nations give to their farmers.....
u can't tell us (the devoloping countries....) that we open our agriculture and food sectors but u will still have ur economy closed to us... come on we too got to run our economy....
this message was quite well presented in the lattest WEF meetings......
so please look at offshoring in the wider context of where the global economy is going and adapt to the changing world....or change the global order itself...
i am sure there is a hell lot of other things that u guys can do and to remain employed......
msiva 12/5/2012 | 2:01:25 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing You can find Indians with that kind of skillsets in Dubai and other Arab countries. They are smart - they know which contry needs (in shortage of) which type of workers and go accordingly.

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Extract from an Interview by Narayanamurthy - Chief of Infosys

John Roberts: With the offshore backlash, what do you think should be the strategy of the industry to address that right now?

N R Narayana Murthy: Globalization is about producing where it is most cost effective, sourcing capital from where it's cheapest and selling it where it is most profitable. We shouldn't be constrained by an international backlash.

A smart journalist in Australia asked me a question at a press conference, "You
guys are taking all our jobs to India. You should be thrown out." I told him I use an LG refrigerator at home in India, I drink Pepsi and Coke though we had our own Indian drinks, I use a GM car where we had a vibrant automobile industry, and so forth. I use Cisco routers and a Toshiba tablet PC which are imported, so do you think we should throw all these companies out?

I gave him the positive side of all this.

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Indy_lite 12/5/2012 | 2:01:22 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Extract from an Interview by Narayanamurthy - Chief of Infosys

John Roberts: With the offshore backlash, what do you think should be the strategy of the industry to address that right now?

N R Narayana Murthy: Globalization is about producing where it is most cost effective, sourcing capital from where it's cheapest and selling it where it is most profitable. We shouldn't be constrained by an international backlash.

A smart journalist in Australia asked me a question at a press conference, "You
guys are taking all our jobs to India. You should be thrown out." I told him I use an LG refrigerator at home in India, I drink Pepsi and Coke though we had our own Indian drinks, I use a GM car where we had a vibrant automobile industry, and so forth. I use Cisco routers and a Toshiba tablet PC which are imported, so do you think we should throw all these companies out?
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Unfortunately, globalization has many other faces as well. If it is only about producing where it is most cost effective, then there would not be any car companies other than a handful of a few in Japan, Germany, US, because if the Toyota/Ford/GM/Honda... truely use up its capacity, then everyone in the world can have car; Globalization does not change the fact that there is boundary between countries. Otherwise, F-16s should be produced in Africa, or even more, there won't be patent office to protect rights.
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 2:01:21 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing ok ok I was just rabble rousing as usual with
that untermenschen comment :-) but its true a
section of people think that way, although most
of them are outside the tech industry and havent
had any contact with indic/chinese people.

> we should boycott these large companies taking
> advantage of the poor countries, and taking our
> jobs away from us! HP and IBM are the worst
> with this

but that would mean pretty much boycotting any
company. You wouldnt be able to get on the internet if you threw out microsoft, cisco, intel,
sun, oracle, hp all of them have big centers abroad.

dash_riprock 12/5/2012 | 2:01:14 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Unfortunately, globalization has many other faces as well. If it is only about producing where it is most cost effective, then there would not be any car companies other than a handful of a few in Japan, Germany, US, because if the Toyota/Ford/GM/Honda... truely use up its capacity, then everyone in the world can have car; Globalization does not change the fact that there is boundary between countries. Otherwise, F-16s should be produced in Africa, or even more, there won't be patent office to protect rights
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Good post. I agree with what you say.
About F-16's in Africa just want to add that the South African avionics and industry was highly advanced back during the days of the embargo.
Due to necessity almost all the aircraft flown by the SAAF ( Mirage F1 and 111 and the indigenously designed Impala) were locally manufactured.
Moral of the story : most nations with even a small and reasonably educated workforce can " circle the wagons" if that want to and create any advanced engineering product.
And for a country like the US ( unlike say Jpan or Germany) where trade contributes < 5% to the GDP, it could'nt be very difficult to kiss the rest of the world goodbye and go its own way.

-Dash


_LULU_ 12/5/2012 | 2:01:12 AM
re: Wipro Soars on Outsourcing Post by "zoinks!"....

2) Chinese managers that would hire only Chinese engineers ... and "seemed" to layoff only the white engineer (I know thats a big accusation)
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Hey I can relate to that... I got whacked by my Chinese manager at LU Westford in favor of someone of his nationality. Thw funny thing was this employee had joined the group only 2-3 weeks before!! Now I don't want to give out names here, but I worked in the Performance Engg group there, so the people who know of whom I am talking of... slap him on the face!!
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