Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN

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DNA-Lorrd 12/5/2012 | 3:26:08 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Why would NA carriers not buy from a Chinese equipment manufacturer? Ever heard of a Japanese company called Fujitsu? They have been a major SONET gear seller in the US for many years. From memory, they had tens of percentage marketshare for SONET boxes over the past decade.

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Tom-Andrew 12/5/2012 | 3:26:06 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN I don't ever remember Fuji getting caught stealing software code from another vendor's equipment.

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Stefan Sip 12/5/2012 | 3:26:06 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Just from LR articles references alone, Huawei iseems to be gaining traction in NA quickly. Adding MEN would only bring headaches.

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HomerJ 12/5/2012 | 3:26:05 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Fuji vs Huawei. ummmm, pretty sure there's a big difference between a Japanese controlled company (follows the 'rules', the country is a democracy, not owned by the military, etc.) and a Chinese one (run by the miltary, the country is a dictatorship, no accounting rules, steals IP, etc.)

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DNA-Lorrd 12/5/2012 | 3:26:04 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Don't forget that all nations that are catching up on an industrial revolution (i.e. are behind) copy IP and simultaneously improve it. History shows you lots of examples. In Europe when countries fell behind England's industrial revolution, they first copied/improved, and then put IP law in place. US even used German rocket technology and improved it. And copied jet engine technology. Japanese were masters at it, but have excelled beyond that. No reason why the Chinese will not do that at this point.

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Stefan Sip 12/5/2012 | 3:26:04 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Homer,

You seem to know Huawei and all of China pretty well. In the late 80s when Japan bought up everything they saw, they didn't quite follow the "rules" as you so well put it. The backlash against Japan was pretty strong. Remember the movie Gung Ho as a benign example. Since the Japanese economy topped in 1989 and fell into semi-recession for the past 19 years, they are no longer viewed as a threat and everything Japanese is cool again. Although I don't have the insight that you have on China, it seems obvious to me that it is China's time to shine on the world stage primarily due to political stability, economic policy, and a capable work force. No different than Japan after WW2. You may bash Huawei and China all you want, but I would guess half of what you own was made in China. As the righteous capitalist that you may be, you have indeed voted with your wallet to promote China even when you have a deep rooted distrust.

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HomerJ 12/5/2012 | 3:26:03 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Capitialism has nothing to do with it. I don't mind buying a plastic doohickey or a shirt from China, my TV and phone calls aren't on those. But I'm not going entrust my network to a company that is owned by a totalitarian dictatorship, steals IP and plays fast and loose with their finances.

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Stefan Sip 12/5/2012 | 3:26:02 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Unless you are in a position of significant power, your actions will and cannot stop a company like Huawei. In Europe, the Huawei HSPA dongle is #1 in the market. You don't have to buy it. Huawei 3G gear has been deployed by virtually every tier-1 operator in region, so inevitably your calls will go over Huawei equipment somehow.

I am not here to argue with you. Let me just add that what brought the Soviet Union out of Communism was not continued blockade by the West. It was due to Glastnost (openness) that caused the profound change in the USSR. Your attitude toward Huawei/China will not help Huawei/China speed up thier transition to your standards.

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^Eagle^ 12/5/2012 | 3:26:02 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN HomerJ,

You stated that ...."Capitialism has nothing to do with it. I don't mind buying a plastic doohickey or a shirt from China, my TV and phone calls aren't on those. But I'm not going entrust my network to a company that is owned by a totalitarian dictatorship, steals IP and plays fast and loose with their finances."

I have some news for you:
1) nearly ALL the technology that you do consider critical or important IS made in China these days. That TV you mention.. most of the parts are from China. That Cell phone you mentioned... virtually all the cell phones in the world are made in China. The line cards in the telecom systems that are carrying the packets to forward this message post are all made in China. (well to be completely fair, some are made in Malaysia, some in Tailand, some in Taiwan...... but NOT made here in USA).

HomerJ, the technology is already gone to china. All of it.

2) our system is also heavily skewed, not purely capitalist. our tax policies and economic policies heavily favor certain players and methods of doing things. Large companies like GE or others have long had huge tax breaks and incentives to do things a certain way. While the smaller companies and start ups in USA have not had those same benefits.

I would say that BOTH societies decide to favor some players over others and subsidize them via various policies.

And if you want to mention "fast and loose with finances".... well... do you really want to talk about what Wall Street has done?

Seems to me that both systems have their flaws and both are less than ethical and less than perfectly fair.

The structural influence that decisions made by our government has caused almost all our jobs to flow overseas.

It is not the Chinese taking them (our jobs). It is US encouraging USA companies to ship them off...

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slayer666 12/5/2012 | 3:25:39 PM

re: Why Huawei Should Buy Nortel's MEN Oh, by the way, Nortel shut all their manufacturing in North America down over the last 10 years, selling it to CMs, who in turn shut down most plants and moved it off shore, so that good Nortel gear is probably 90% made in PRC. And the quality has been going up, because Nortel engineers have been transferring technology to the off shore plants for over 20 years...

I heard they were offered $500m for MEN but turned it down. Good luck selling off your four pieces in this market. Admit it, Zaforoski has been a disaster for Nortel, shrinking it to 25,000 employees with $10B in sales, and still can't balance the books.

As far as IP, ethics, and the rest of your long winded arguments, get over it...it's business. How quickly you forget about your Enron, worldcom, bear stearns, associated sleazy business melt downs. (not to mention Nortel's own accounting scandal)Like no one on this forum has ever pulled apart someone elses product when building their own? Your either lying or stupid. Every company has departments doing this...just you hope they change the source code before shipping.

And the Japanese? The Fujitsu sonet group was in Dallas, and was full Nortel engineers! As for Toyota...their number one now!

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