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LightWatchman 12/4/2012 | 7:50:31 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy 77thlightguy
respectfully, I believe your posting to me, with reference to my post out of context.

I understand you are upset that OWNSTOCK was delisted and TurkishGuy stoped posting.

I can see that you have alot to contribute to the thread, please contribute. :)

LightWatchman 12/4/2012 | 7:50:31 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy opto wrote
"Phase 1: Accountability. Use the military to Get bin Laden, but don't kill him"

Taking Bin Laden prisoner or jailing him would lead to a hostage situation of scale we have never seen before.

To also address Gardners comments concerning Afghanistans lack of SCUDs, please note that intellegence reports believe Bin Ladins organization is in possesion of 3 of the many Suitcase size nucleur weapons that were stollen from the KBG.

I believe I posted an exerpt and link to the Janessecurity.com site concerning 50% of worlds Heroin exports.

No, Im sure our government has learned from past Hostage for Terrorist swap attemps, He will die in Battle.

I hope we dont start over there until we have spent a good amount of time beating the Bushes over here. He just pushed our button, he would like to see us overreact so that he could justify

His objective is of course to win over the support of the entire Muslim world.

I am really not sure people understand how grim the outlook for mankind looks right know.

LightWatchman :(
enrico 12/4/2012 | 7:50:30 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I basically agree on Opto opinions, although I am not so expert of both Palestinian-Israeli matter and of internal US affairs to fully understand his dialogue with other people of this board.
Anyway, as an European citizen and a Catholic Christian I have to say:
1) I prayed for the victims, their relatives and friends. And for terrorists too, because they change their minds.
2) Of course, what happened is not acceptable and requires a strong reaction.
3) All we Europeans have a huge debt with USA for our freedom, and we shall have to fully support USA.
4) But all we Western people have to look to the misery of the rest of the world and work for its development, both economical and political. We should be much less interested in profits of our industries and in our crazy stock exchange market, and contribute more to fill in the difference between us and the Third World. We have an heavy heritage from the past century, with all its hot and cold wars, but we all have to work for the future with ethics in mind.
flanker 12/4/2012 | 7:50:30 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I dont understand various posters obsession with the Rape of Nanking. It is totally irrelevant and its a cheap shot against the Japanese, who have moved on since the middle of the last century (unlike some other societies).

The Japanese are reliable allies and good business partners. We're better off staking our future with them than any one else west of them.

Furthermore, they dont engage in the embarrassing politics of self-entitlement here in the US. You should be so lucky as to have Japanese neighbors in your town.

The Carmack 12/4/2012 | 7:50:29 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy If nott justified, will some one please fill us in as regards this Israel/ Palestine thing.


None of this is justification of course. IMO, there is no justification, and I don't believe you will get one. One thing that bothers me is when people say "so Israel has been right to pursue their policy of occupation, if the Palestinians are going that far". Well no, the terrorists who chose to go that far and commit these crimes are not representative of the entire poeople. So the plight of the entire people to have a state of their own should not be undermined because some of their hard-liners choose to commit murders. The people who were willing to settle and accept these watered-down accords that give them a patchwork of desert areas as a demilitarized "Palestinian state", without its own water supplies, are not the same ones who kill civilians and want to destroy Israel, and they shouldn't be punished at the same time as the radicals.
nightRaider 12/4/2012 | 7:50:29 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy "...Is there anyone out there that believes at least some of what happened was justified? . . "


If nott justified, will some one please fill us in as regards this Israel/ Palestine thing.

We have (all) always been horrified at seeing the pictures of babies being shot (caught in cross fire) by Isreal militarry using American supplied gunships and heliopters and the incessant stone throwing and suicide bombers killing innocent young men and women.

How can the Unted States help?
greatwhitenorth 12/4/2012 | 7:50:29 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy Amen. At least Japan and Germany have paid for their crimes, and both are now pillars of democracy and freedom. At this point, I don't care what they did sixty years ago. If they stand with us now, with something beyond lip service, they're my friends for the next thousand years.

One other thing I've got to "declare": Israel, I finally understand you. I'll never forget that in the aftermath of the horror, noone from Israel had to deny responsibility: Arafat and his thugs did. Noone from Israel cheered in the streets: the Palestinians did. And hearing an interview with Netanyahu on Friday chilled my blood. What he said is, I fear, what Israelis have been saying all along, and we haven't chosen to hear: that the part (I stress, PART) of the Muslim world that has been torturing Israel, and has now struck America, is not after a land settlement on the Mediterranean coast. They seek to destroy Western civilization itself, and resurrect a Muslim world from 1000 years ago. Let me say, I understand now that the Israelis have stood against this evil wih courage, resolution and intelligence. My friends, I thank you, and pray God we are ready to join your fight.

I could only admire Netanyahu's conviction in this interview, for in the face of such a frightenig enemy, he was unwilling to throw in the towel. The point is, the executors of terror cannot live in the air. They require the safe haven and (at least, tacit) support of real states and governments. And those governments and countries are clearly defined: they stretch from India's western border to, roughly, the Mediterranean. They represent nothing like the power: military, economic, population, etc., that Germany and Japan did sixty years ago, and we crushed them. So to those whose greatest fear is that any Western response will only "provoke" further terrorist aggression, I say: go cower in your corner. Some of us are still strong enough to fight when cornered, and make no mistake, we now have no choice: this is life and death.
Confucius 12/4/2012 | 7:50:28 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I'm afraid the first stone has already been cast, and by those who are the embodiment of sin.
The Carmack 12/4/2012 | 7:50:28 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I'd like to add one more thing:

The US president today is declaring war on terrorists, and all those who support them. If anyone here remembers the Sabra and Chatlia massacres, where hundreds of Palestinian men, women and children were raped and murdered, recall that the people who did these killings were supported by Israel, in fact they were being watched performing these massacres for two days. The bullets and uniforms used by the killers were funded by American money. This is the same degree of responsability that George Bush now wants to kill people for.

If we go after terrorist supporters now, then we (and Israel) were wrong back then, and we (along with our ally Israel) are wrong to take away Palestinian land and force them into perpetual refugee status.

As the democracies of the world, we must set the standard. Only once we start doing things right, will we be able to point the finger at others.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
nightRaider 12/4/2012 | 7:50:28 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy ..." Ben-Gurion was quite explicit, as in a 1937 letter to his son: GǣA partial Jewish state is not the end, but only the beginning. The establishment
of such a Jewish state will serve as a means in our historical efforts to redeem the country in its entirety. . . . We shall organize a modern defense force . . . and then I am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in other parts
of the country, either by mutual agreement with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . . We will expel the Arabs and take their
places . . . with the force at our disposal.Gǥ . . ."

And with US backing Israel blindly, the Palestinians have no hope! EVER!
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