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john8:12 12/4/2012 | 7:50:37 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy "Israel must hand over the West Bank to Palestinians, and do it now."

Are you so naive to think that Arafat's cronies will 'take their ball and go home'?
Arafat, and the PLO, AND the Islamic Fundamental movement have one goal -- the total destruction of Israel. Handing over the West Bank will only give them much less land to fight over as they
"drive Israel into the sea" (a PLO/PLF slogan).

We, as in the USA, are targets because we support Israel... whether that is correct or not is up to debate.
However, Israel giving up the West Bank is like the USA, during WWII, giving Hawaii to Japan.
john8:12 12/4/2012 | 7:50:37 PM
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Agreed...
Unfortunately, I believe that states with similar forms of government will jump on the
Tali-bandwagon.

I have a deep sense of dread over this...

Has anyone heard what the Chinese gov't is saying?
I'm curious as to their stance.

God Bless,
B.



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holen1 12/4/2012 | 7:50:37 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy John 8:12,

I'm as curious as you about the Chinese take on the matter. This region is very volatile being that Afghanistan is next to the former Soviet Union and China. These are obviously the reasons our administration is careful not to begin bombing until all diplomatic issues are on the table. All hell would break lose if the Chinese were threatened and decided to "defend" themselves. Let's hope and pray the war does not spill over in their homeland.

I believe they will take the "rocking chair" stance and watch history unfold from their homeland. There's no way they'd actually participate for the American cause, being that Afghanistan is one of their allies (which, by the way, the Afghan land has been used as a Chinese training area).

God bless our troops and God bless America!

holen1 12/4/2012 | 7:50:37 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I hate to quote a movie, but this is one of my favorite lines (not sure if it originates from elsewhere):

"Big Trouble in Little China"

Here's to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won; here's to America's colors, the colors that never run. May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.
The Carmack 12/4/2012 | 7:50:36 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I'm posting an email forwarded to me by a friend. This is worth reading (IMHO), but I make no claims for its author being who he says he is. That's one of the facts of the internet.

It's from Salon.com:
http://www.salon.com/news/feat...

Are you so naive to think that Arafat's cronies will 'take their ball and go home'?
Arafat, and the PLO, AND the Islamic Fundamental movement have one goal -- the total destruction of Israel. Handing over the West Bank will only give them much less land to fight over as they
"drive Israel into the sea" (a PLO/PLF slogan).


Arafat and the PLO and partly to blame, but your rhetoric completely ignores the Israeli responsiblity and their own refusal to obey the treaties:
http://www.lightreading.com/bo...

Every single day, the Palestinians have less land and are getting further away from a sustainable state, while Israel is getting closer and closer to complete unilateral control over all of Palestine, something they were never supposed to have. The PLO couldn't possibly hope to ever push Israel into the sea. The reality is that Palestnians have been pushed into the desert. The terrorists couldn't hope to have better excuses for commiting murders.
john8:12 12/4/2012 | 7:50:36 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy Do not assume that I equated the Palestinians with terrorists... Just their leader, and his ilk.

Who is in charge of the Palestinian Authority?
Is it not 'Arafat and his cronies'?
Who would be in control if the land was 'handed over'?

Are you espousing the removal of Arafat as elected leader?
How did you feel about the dictators the USA OR the UN has supported in the past?
If you were not in support of all of them, your hypocracy alarm should be going off...

...BTW, actually I agree with Jerry Falwell a whole lot more than I don't (although I haven't heard or read any comments on this mess)
New_guy 12/4/2012 | 7:50:36 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy Opto
Definately one of the best, most thoughtful posts on this subject. I hope our government can think like this.

John
Take a closer look at the last few sentences of the paragraph.

Give them their homeland. Then, the world will support Israel dramatically more in addressing any further terrorism. And they will have a clear location from whence any further Palestinian aggression eminates.

Doesn't seem very naive to me.


opto 12/4/2012 | 7:50:36 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy john8:12,

It is ignorant, and just not fair for you to group all Palestinians with their radical fringe. BTW, WE have a radical fringe - do you want the world to think of us as represented by Jerry Falwell? Or worse yet, of Timothy McVeigh?

1. I did not say Arafat, I said Palestinians, for a reason. Regardless of his intent, Arafat is too closely associated with terrorism to have the credibility needed. Either he supports it, or he is impotent to prevent it. Either way, he is not the right man for the new order.

2. Establishment of a Palestinian State would be accomplished in similar ways to post-WW2 Germany and Japan. German citizens are almost all supportive of the constitutional protections designed to prevent a resurgence of Nazi-ism. Things that obviously could not be tolerated in the New Palestine: media that support and encourage terrorism, (currently happening); leaders coming from anything other than an observed, fair democracratic process (no religious parties allowed - our rules); armed forces with authorization for anything other than anti-terrorist actions and policing. If WE create New Palestine for them, then WE shall decide the rules. WE decided rules that created post-WW2 Germany and Japan. They have been model citizens in the post-WW2 order. They don't sponsor terrorism, they don't abuse their commoners. We can force Israel to adopt the same process, or do it ourselves if they do not comply.

The time is long past for Israel to receive some "tough love". They must take the high road here, whether they want to or not.
Milano 12/4/2012 | 7:50:36 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy I have seen Afghanistan a few years ago, obviously without knowing that it could become the center of a conflict. The memories I keep make me very nervous about the shape of the conflict to come.

The eastern part (where bin Laden is probably hiding) is a land of high mountains and deep gorges. Air bombing could work in Irak to cut communications necessary to the modern army. It worked in Yugoslavia where a modern society needs electricity, bridges, etc. It failed in Kosovo where the tanks could easily be camouflaged. It will be totally inefficient in Afghanistan unless one can precisely pin point bin LadenGÇÖs position.

Things are not easier on the road, which would carry troops and supply. They are usually built on mountainside, where they can be blocked or blown away with minimal explosive. Convoys can be attacked from high positions. Many portions of the country have no roads at all, only tracks.

IGÇÖm sure somewhere in the White House, someone is looking at LBJGÇÖs portrait and remembering how foreign policy can go deeply wrong. After all, Ho Chi Min died in his bed.

M.
kkn 12/4/2012 | 7:50:35 PM
re: Wall Street Aghast at Tragedy Hello,
I read postings here that say that the US should
install a new government in Palestine. If US does
that it will amount to a huge mistake.
Please dont think that the rest world is so
lucky as the US which has no **internal** problems.
This will give legitimacy to the so called freeding struggle (read separatist movement) in many countries of the world.

-kkn
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