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bollocks187 12/5/2012 | 3:01:01 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? Okay lets go back and look at the history here:

1) A BT company too much in the TDM world and with no IP focus. Lots of red tape and a slow service provider with a captive market. Tells vendors what it wants but does not buy.

2) Disapointing financials results in appointment of new CEO who brings in a new CTO.

3) A "stupid" RFP/RFQ presented by BT (a regular occurence at BT when its time to create market wow)

4) Selection of no-UK bendor China WhoreWay for IP access due to price dumping !

5) Demise of Marconi(Plessey-GEC) companies as they do not win any of the access business - too expensive ! and not IP. Plenty of others selected but the incumbent vendor gets screwed.

6) Failure of Huwai to deliver, technical challenges and more price negotiations.

7) Failure of BT to deliver on its promise signs of the 21CN = 21st Crappy Network

8) Old guard BT executives looking for an exit to safer pastures - fed up with new CEO and CTO anyway.

9) Poor financials - appointment of new new CEO and of course CTO - good severance package tho.

10 Repeat step 1)

bollocks187 12/5/2012 | 3:00:59 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? Me too Ray.....

Yet you challenged the statement.Wht do you have to say now !
berty 12/5/2012 | 3:00:59 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? Back in 2004.

brucee 12/5/2012 | 3:00:57 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? bollocks,

>6) Failure of Huwai to deliver, technical challenges and more price negotiations.

Not sure it was mentioned in the article, thought just is:
>One source says there are delays in the delivery of new multiservice access equipment, and problems with the new network's voice service-related elements in the 21CN Intelligence Node, where BT has been working exclusively with Ericsson AB

Thought BT always had a backup and they are working with the Japs(Fujitsu) on this one?

Shad some lights?

bollocks187 12/5/2012 | 3:00:56 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? Bruce Lee

Huawei quote..

"Huawei believe that being selected to supply BT with 21CN network infrastructure will generate new employment prospects, which will help to maintain many existing industry positions and ensure that many new jobs will be created here in the UK. - LOL"

They have business on the MSAN part of the network. I suspect their voice solution is not quite mature for the UK market.

Erik. have the voice service platforms is also creating problems but Softswitch VoIP on a large scale in BT 21CN network is not as mature as BT originally thought.

Yes Fujitsu is a solid DSLAM provider. But perhaps Marconi thro Erik. will be broght back into the MSAN space displacing Huawei - after all who knows UK voice better than Marconi !

Toad680 12/5/2012 | 3:00:55 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? BT21CN is an astonishing mess. And Carphone Warehouse is gaining scale quickly.

The destruction of Marconi in the process of BT's debacle is very sad indeed.
runnyme 12/5/2012 | 3:00:55 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? hi bollocks187,

what did huawei do to you? have they make you redundant or a big pay cut which result in your whore running away? If this is the case, pls have my sympathy.
OSXman 12/5/2012 | 3:00:55 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? The MSAN business is being shared by Fujitsu and Huawei. Fujitsu's equipment has already been qualified in the system, although not without some delays. They stand to be a significant beneficiary of Huawei's problems.

Fujitsu is the incumbent vendor and was always thought to have a chance at the greater market share. Importantly, they are based in Birmingham and have a large, on-the-ground staff that is familiary with the BT network. That's a big advantage versus Huawei.

Does anyone know the Huawei problems specifically? Is it technological or procedural?
bollocks187 12/5/2012 | 3:00:54 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? My guess is both.....

Given BT is a very 'picky' company they are probale behind in providnf the right procedures and documentation for BT personnel.

In addition there combo POTS Plus ADSL has only perhaps 2 eastern cusotmers who are not of the same calibre as BT.

Fuji. has a good team on the ground in the UK - ex GPT guys.

I still think the MSAN from Marconi will come thro even tho BT Royally screwed them over.

bollocks187 12/5/2012 | 3:00:54 PM
re: Upheaval at BT's 21CN? RunnyME

Nope - I have competed against WhoreWay. I have been to China and visited them and seen how they work.

I simple view them as one of the 'big bad arrogant' guys right now. They are different in that they are a pure govt supported company with a nationlistic agenda.

They are currently working on the developing nations with ambition 3rd world countries. In competiting they making incredible pricing concession which are absurd as well as feature roadmaps - any credible engineer will verify.

Unlike many invaders-colonist before them they leave nothing of value behind - lol. For example anthying they can see or hear about in tthe west they run back to China to copy.

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