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etherguy 12/4/2012 | 11:02:01 PM
re: Turin Turns Up i am pulling for turin. don't know a soul there but god knows our industry needs a win or two. let's hope they don't get complacent and sit back, hoping to get bought. let's see them take this thing all the way.

supporting sonet is going to be the difference for a lot of startups, unfortunately. status quo doesn't equal profits but carriers just ain't gonna rip it out and we need to get used to that.
The Voice of God Box 12/4/2012 | 11:02:00 PM
re: Turin Turns Up And no doubt (as usually) you have hard facts to back your statements up???
HarveyMudd 12/4/2012 | 11:02:00 PM
re: Turin Turns Up We have all seen sensational product announcements from many vendors. This appewars to be one of those sensational announcements. Any significant carrier would not buy a product from a start-up. Many companies had announced similar products but the market is not ready for MSPP type of products.

It appears to me that VCs are hard at work to create something out of nothing.

Mayan Networks had collected over 90 milion dollars and also had announced a number of trials and customers.

With over 200o Telcos, it is very easy to say that their product is being tried by one of the carriers, but close examination reveals a different story.

There is nothing new in this product except the press release.
dietaryfiber 12/4/2012 | 11:01:59 PM
re: Turin Turns Up I think the actual state of affairs is that they have an OC-48 solution today that is in some small field applications in the IOCs. I think there is lab interest in their products with the larger carriers.

I think with all products in this state it can be imagined that it is not bug free.

I know many people at Turin and have a tremendous amount of respect for John Webley. He is a very smart man, who should never be underestimated (he has had one successful startup already). He and they admit they have a long journey in front of them. However, he has certainly outlasted Greg Peters (local Petaluma stuff here).

dietary fiber
gea 12/4/2012 | 11:01:57 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Ah Harvey Muck...

What's the Cisco 15454 but an MSPP? What were the revenues generated by the Cerent line this last year? Well over a Billion, no?

Not only are carriers "ready" for MSPPs, any new SONET gear going into their networks (including Fujistu, Cisco and others) are arguably already MSPPs. An MSPP is simply a fancier, more efficient SONET platform that supports data a little more nicely.

Harvey Mudd: you are one of the least informed, out-of-your-ass posters I have ever seen anywhere. You really seem to know just about nothing about any of the fields you comment on. Why do you bother? Aren't you even a little embarassed, or do you simply refuse to go look at reality and so are able to convince yourself that your posts have some vague relationship to it?
HarveyMuddSucks 12/4/2012 | 11:01:55 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Harvey, you idiot!
Again, you astound me with your stupidity and absolute lack of scope. How do you think companies like Cerent, Ciena, AMD, and every other corner stone of the technology industry began? They were start-ups! To state that no carrier will buy from a start-up is ludicrous. Stick to engineering, hopefully your better in that department than you are with business.
Keep it quiet, and give everyone a break...
The_Holy_Grail 12/4/2012 | 11:01:55 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Seems you have lots of respect for Webley, but not so much for the others in the startup arena. Do you believe Turin will be the only one to survive the startups up in your area? What do you know abouth the others and their management?
William F. Letcher 12/4/2012 | 11:01:54 PM
re: Turin Turns Up nice handle.
let-there-be-light 12/4/2012 | 11:01:54 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Please go easy on Harvey.
I don't always agree with him either, actually most of the time I don't, but...
Calling him an idiot really doesn't help.

optical_man 12/4/2012 | 11:01:53 PM
re: Turin Turns Up HarveyMudd,
Are you laid off? Do you work? I wonder if your internet access was cut off at work, would you be more productive? You seem to lurk around here bashing everything. You have an opinion on Everything. Do your colleagues not listen to your valued opinions? If they did, would your outlook change?
Bashing startups is like saying the British Empire is brilliant (circa 1890) and all those other startup countries are junk. And what happened?
Try this, say "I will not surf at work for 3 weeks". Can you?
On another note, 80% of all restaraunts fail. Guess we should all just go to McDonalds for all our meals, as this is a LARGE company, therefore has the best value for us....
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