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etherguy 12/4/2012 | 11:01:53 PM
re: Turin Turns Up calling harverymudd an idiot doesn't make a lot of sense. i feel sorry for the guy as i'm quite sure he works for nortel and i can envision him, huddled in a lonely cubicle muttering "we're gonna make it, i think we can i think we can." the poor guy spends a lot of time poking holes in companies. how does he know so much? by reading internal nortel propaganda, probably.

good luck to us all. harveymudd included.

as for these boards, you have to have your naysayers as well as the hypsters. silencing someone like this is pretty unamerican...
Cantankerous Oldfart 12/4/2012 | 11:01:52 PM
re: Turin Turns Up I spoke with John McQuillan of NGN yesterday.

He is willing to organize a panel titles "Contributing to the Chaos - Harvey Mudd's Principles of Message Board Contribution."

We are quite sure we can get a couple random panelists from Fox News, Hugh Heffner, George Carlin and Noam Chomsky and others to discuss how to generate controversy in what you post.

The second half of the panel will be devoted to Harvey's life - from his upbringing as a poor sharecropper in Manhattan to his salad days as a top-drawer gigolo in Puerto Rico to his more reclusive years as a petting zoo philanthropist.

If we put this together, do you think y'all would attend?
let-there-be-light 12/4/2012 | 11:01:52 PM
re: Turin Turns Up The minute my Big Mac starts to transport IP traffic or leased lines, and costs a few hundred thousand bucks, I'll accept your attempted parallel with the restaurant industry. On the other hand, the 20% survival rate is an extremely interesting statistic that is new to me, and which may very well apply here..
gea 12/4/2012 | 11:01:49 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Fiber Optics is good for R&D but too speculative for carriers to deploy. Also fiber optics not able to go more that 1,000 to 2,000 meters so will be very expensive. Carriers will continue to deploy copper coast to coast.
lightmaster 12/4/2012 | 11:01:48 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Interesting that the article didn't mention Ocular, now Tellabs. Similar function (DCS, Ethernet over SONET). Seens to me that with Tellabs behind Ocular, that would be their main competition, expecially in RBOCs.
stuartb 12/4/2012 | 11:01:48 PM
re: Turin Turns Up "Turin will face a tough time displacing existing equipment from other vendors in carrier networks. "If you are a startup, you need to be orders of magnitude better than the incumbent."

Well... no duhhh! What startup doesn't face this challenge?

I guess Riverstone doesn't now that I think about it. Their solution is really only attractive to the greenfields of the world who don't have a deployed infrastructure -- hence no incumbent equipment provider. Unfortunately there are only so many Telseon's and Yipes in the world and they won't last much longer than the previous generation DLECs IMHO. BTW, is what I saw mentioned about Sigma on a LR message board today true.... shutdown?

Litewave 12/4/2012 | 11:01:47 PM
re: Turin Turns Up LR: The question is: where did they suddenly appear from? The Petaluma-based company was actually founded at the end of 1999....

They didn't just suddenly appear.

Even as far back as 4Q'00 the big Canadian dinosaur was looking at Turin when deciding directions for the 3500, and TI (now defunct?).
Kevin Mitchell 12/4/2012 | 11:01:46 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Any significant carrier won't buy from a start-up?!?! Do you mean for in the realm of optical transport? As for significant carriers buying from startups: Verizon has bought Telica boxes for Internet offload. BellSouth and Qwest have bought Sonus switches for various applications (I realize Sonus is public and established, but closer to start-up than the incumbents). Just a few examples...it happens if the equipment is compelling.
Two 12/4/2012 | 11:01:46 PM
re: Turin Turns Up
I interviewed for them very early on. Their team is pretty sharp...John Webley has lots of RBOC contacts that respect him from his AFC days. Many Ascend guys in sales (i.e. they're REAL sales engineers...ones with engineering degrees...) They have a sharp CTO -- Hui Zhang (professor at CMU) is very well known in the routing and switching world. The rest of the engineering team seemed pretty solid.

They've taken their time to develop a product (they made a couple of architectural decisions that I didn't agree with), but now they have one. If they can pull the SW together (lots and lots of effort), they stand a good chance to break through.


P.S. Is there still free sushi?
lightmaster 12/4/2012 | 11:01:46 PM
re: Turin Turns Up Don't know who the RBOC is, but the two IXCs have them in their labs along with a long list of others - nothing special about Turin yet. Both have only recently installed them. The product is too new for any kind of decision. For those who don't understand how this game works... passing traffic is about 10% of the function needed to get deployed. This announcement marks the start, not the end, of the competitive process. Probably more intended to drive a funding effort than announce any real news.

Regarding the RBOC, OSMINE, OSMINE, OSMINE. Don't know where they are in the process, but Cisco is finished, Ciena, MetroOptix, and Ocular/Tellabs are close.
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