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lite-brite
lite-brite
12/5/2012 | 3:44:12 PM
re: Tony Li
Well, I have one ex-colleague visiting Shenzen for the first time, and he LOVES it (also one that hates it); I have no desire to go, but am starting to enjoy working with the Chinese guys at Huawei! They impress me a lot more than I anticipated!

I imagine Tony would like the overwhelming culture-clash, tbh! Makes it that much more interesting:-)
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 1:42:09 AM
re: Tony Li

By the way... I just checked and craigmatsumo.to is still available. Surf over to tonic.to.

;-)

Tony
PO
PO
12/5/2012 | 1:42:02 AM
re: Tony Li
Nice interview; thanks, Tony, for sharing some of your story with us. (And for sharing your perspective on various issues over the years.)

But now there's two stories out there: the article talks about "quitting [Procket] earlier this year." But Tony has also said that, well, his departure was not his choice.

http://www.lightreading.com/bo...

In an ideal world this wouldn't matter, and probably isn't any of our business. And it's often an area where one doesn't want to run afoul of any legal agreements. But now that the conflicting statements are out there, there's an opportunity for clarification.

Would any of the principals care to comment?
Mezo
Mezo
12/5/2012 | 1:42:00 AM
re: Tony Li
Tony Li for President...representing the Silicon Valley Party!

Long live the Internet...the Internet RULES!!!
phonon99
phonon99
12/5/2012 | 1:41:40 AM
re: Tony Li
Li: The real question is whether an independent ISP can compete with RBOCs and the monopoly of the last mile. If there are technical solutions that allow us a new last mile, there are possibilities. Cable, for example, has had significant penetration. ThereGÇÖs other players. IGÇÖm hopeful that weGÇÖll see a wireless last mile.
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Tony,

Wireless will never have the capacity to deliver videos (TV, VOD) in a large scale. It is also lack of solutions for the return path.

Optical wireless, free space optics (FSO), may have the bandwidth. But it was born as a supportive solution (building-to-building, disaster recoveryGǪ), and is not suitable for the last mile.

The only possible solution is left to wireline --- no surprise! I believe FTTP based on economical PON architectures.


-Phonon99

optoslob
optoslob
12/5/2012 | 1:41:39 AM
re: Tony Li
Tony,
I've often heard it said that the greatest advantage for very high speed FTTP (2Gbps to 10Gbps) is that it removes the need for storage in the network and therefore truly complements an OOO core routing system. Any comments?

Phonon99, Wireless last mile is coming and will deliver 2 to 10 Mbps per user. This can easily/cheaply be done today with Mesh WiFi plus FSO or UWB links to reduce the maximum number of hops in the Mesh. The problem is that this is only useful for Internet and Voice (very limited Video). If I can deploy this type of Mesh WiFi system for 1/10 the cost of FTTP why would I bother with FTTP? (Is video revenue really worth 9/10's of the system cost?)

optoslob
lr_monger
lr_monger
12/5/2012 | 1:41:38 AM
re: Tony Li
This article is disappointing in that it does not hit on the real interesting things about what Tony believes such as that MPLS places too much state information in the network, and GRE is good, among other things.

A little more technical depth on things like this would have made it better.

lr monger
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 1:41:37 AM
re: Tony Li
Wireless will never have the capacity to deliver videos (TV, VOD) in a large scale. It is also lack of solutions for the return path.

Long ago, I tried to stop using the word 'never', because I usually ended up eating my words.

We shall see what we shall see. I appreciate your skepticism, but if physics allows, technology will find a way.

BTW, there's a clear counter-example to your hypothesis. One major carrier already has deployed a wireless last mile solution that has the necessary bandwidth and return channel. It has other issues that prevent if from being feasible, but that just means that there is one other possible way to skin this particular cat.

Tony
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 1:41:35 AM
re: Tony Li
Monger,

This article is disappointing in that it does not hit on the real interesting things about what Tony believes such as that MPLS places too much state information in the network, and GRE is good, among other things.

a) You're putting words in my mouth and they certainly don't belong there. b) Why don't you just ask your question(s)?

Tony
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 1:41:35 AM
re: Tony Li
I've often heard it said that the greatest advantage for very high speed FTTP (2Gbps to 10Gbps) is that it removes the need for storage in the network and therefore truly complements an OOO core routing system. Any comments?

Hmm... well, without the complete argument, it's difficult to judge. If the theory is that it eliminates the need for buffering at switching locations where we continue to do stat muxing, then that's a complete lark. If the theory is that we're all gonna do DWDM with enough frequencies that you can always get a lambda to yourself, well, that's a lark for a different reason. Of course, there's probably some other interpretation that I'm missing.

Tony
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