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signmeup 12/5/2012 | 12:17:42 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Agreed. So what other topic can we argue about?

How about the final four? Any favorites for the title?

crapshooter 12/5/2012 | 12:17:41 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Now I know that we have an imposter in our midst. There is no way the real booby would have ever responded to my message to just shut up. The only person that I know has ever goaded the real booby is "Dr." Gea - to that my hat is off.


Are you sure it's an imposter? I've been chuckling since yesterday since BarbieMaxipad responded to TWO of my posts. I always pictured him as typing with two fingers (you just KNOW he isn't using more than that) and yesterday those two fingers were freakin' FLYIN since he was so pissed. Now I'm bummed at the thought that it might be an imposter.

To the real Boobie, if you're out there: can you shed some light? We're in a real dilemma here.
BobbyMax 12/5/2012 | 12:17:40 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom A Tribunal needs to be createsd to try the war criminals in the Iraq-US conflicts. In the past US has been able to gain an upperhand over the countries it invaded. For example, in world War II, there war crime activities committed against Germany by the US. But no war time crimes trials were prosecuted against the US. I do not think there is a time limitation on cases involving war crime trials. This means that the US can still be tried for war time crimes durinmg World War II.

Weapons of mass destruction were used by the US against Jaopan during the waning days of war. Will there be war crime tribunal against the US?

I do not know if there were war crime trials for excesses committed by the US during the course of Vietnam war. There is a strong evidense that we did commit war crimes against Vietnam during the war. Will some organizations initiate trials?

The war criminals of the United States Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force murdered three million people in Vietnam, in countless places like My Lai. Most of the victims were women and children.

The CIA even had an official program of state terrorism in Vietnam, known as the GǣPhoenix ProgramGǥ. Through the Phoenix Program, hundreds of thousands of people were tortured to death in provincial Gǣinterrogation centersGǥ all over Vietnam. These torture centers were built specifically for that purpose by the United States. Women were always raped as part of the torture before being murdered. The large-scale terrorism, rape and mass-murder throughout the countryside was the collective policy of the CIA, the U.S. Army, the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Marines and the U.S. Navy.

There are examples of war crimes committed by the US against the sovereign nation of Iraq. Will there be war criminal trial? This trial will have to take place before a tribunal.

I must mention that many times the US Government has bribed the member nations in order to receiving their votes in the United Nations.

When the US insisted on interviewing the Iraqi scientists, there was a strong opposition as the US would have bribed these scientists and induced them to lie.

voip-transport 12/5/2012 | 12:17:40 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom I just hope this war will end quickly by the end of next week or maybe on the same time with the April 15, IRS tax due' day. :-)

The only thing that I'm uneasy about is IF Iraq with the Saddam loyal regimes will fight to the end of their last blood ever dripped. This would be ugly and USA will get a slapped face in front of all over the world ... So who cares USA win since anyone with the clear logical mind knew that there's no way Iraq will win. It's not gonna happen in the next million years EVER. It is basically an unfair fight but i guess Saddam is a very stubborn and crazy leader.

The issue is how to get more co-operation from the Saddam regimes people to surrender quick and painless. But until now, i didn't hear any news on any high-profile generals (such as Sa'af) from the Saddam regimes have surrendered or eliminated. I hope the ugly scenario wouldn't happen.
rtfm 12/5/2012 | 12:17:39 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Hi Gardner,

Thanks for responding to my queries. I was curious whether you went to a liberal college (but still a university), in a rather small state in New England (and if, thus, I might know you). Regardless, pleased to make your acquaintance, if such can be made on an anonymous bboard.



"Support the troops" - Sure, but not the bad policies that put them in harm's way.
- My temporary tag-line
h2o273kk9 12/5/2012 | 12:17:39 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Bobby,
The Left keeps telling me that the US "armed" Saddam, yet the only weapons we see are French, Chinese, Russian.
The Left tells me that the Americans supplied bio-weapons to Saddam yet they got out of that business under Nixon in 1969 and signed the Bio-Weapons convention in 1972. Only Russia violated that treaty. They did it big time-Biopreparat.
The Left tells me that the Americans killed more people in the 20th century than anyone else. They conveniently forget Stalin, Mao, Hitler and a host of others. The US opposed these people and their policies. Yes, they worked with Stalin in order to defeat a more immediate threat. They even worked with other unsavoury types to protect against a worst disaster. (eg. Pinochet, Shah of Iran). As bad as they are, they don't compare to Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Castro, Ayatollahs, etc.

The Left keeps lying to me and refuses to acknowledge any kind of historical context or comparisons. Chile, South Korea, and Taiwan were dictatorships and allied with the US. They are now thriving democracies with decent economies. At least the US tries. I can't same the same for Russia and China for example in VietNam, Cuba, etc.

I now watch the Left try to rewrite history and even current events as they occur. So I ask you ,why should I believe any of the "spin" you are puking?

As Britain, Canada, and Australia participated in some of these "alleged" crimes you mention, are you proposing we try them for war crimes as well?
I am not aware of any Communists in Russia or China ever tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity. Are you going to arrest them?

I thought not!
gardner 12/5/2012 | 12:17:38 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom
Young men and women are sacrificing for your freedom right now and you have the nerve to compare them to the Nazis.
Simply disgusting.....

No. I'm afraid your "logic" is disgusting. Consider this: just how would we have lost our freedom if Iraq had not been attacked? I'm really tired of this old saw and how quickly it falls off the lips of the unthinking parrots among us. I hear a lot of people say that little formula: "young men and women are sacrificing their lives for our freedom" and I just do not believe it. My freedom wasn't threatened and neither was yours--whether you think so or not. I neither asked for this sacrifice nor do I accept responsibility for it. They chose to enter the service and put themselves under the control of the President of the US. There was nothing I could do about it. My guy lost the election. I did my part to prevent this non-sense through the means at my disposal and others now must take the responsibility. There is a lot of talk among conservatives about people being responsible for their own choices. I made my choice and I stand by it. Why is it that these young men and women are not responsible for their own choices? Why is it all of a sudden the rest of us that are responsible for their choices/sacrifices? I do not approve of their being sent and I refuse to be cowed by this "sacrifice" nonsense. I don't want harm to come to anyone but this sacrifice was freely chosen--there is no draft so don't try to con me with all this pseudo-patriotic nonsense.
gardner 12/5/2012 | 12:17:38 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom
Aren't most of the Kurds Muslim? So why haven't the Arabs jumed to their defense as they do the Palestinians? Why didn't they go crazy when they were gassed by Sadaam? Don't they have rights? Seems like they're pretty happy to see Americans......

The Kurds were gassed on one or two occasions during the Iran-Iraq war. (Not to say that is good but to put it into perspective for you). The Palestinians are terrorized by Israeli troops on a daily basis. We don't see much of it here in the west because Israel is one of the "good guys". The arabs can't understand why we aren't more outraged by the things that go on in Palestine every day. The Kurds have, by the way, had a much more autonomous region of their own in Northern Iraq than the Palestinians do. And they have had it for 10 years. I personally don't understand how the mainstream press gets away with ignoring the Palestinian issue. Chris Hedges, in his book "War is a Force that Gives us Meaning" recounts a story where some (hopefully rogue) Israeli soldiers along with some of what appeared to be Lebanese militia baited some palestinian kids over to the wire with insults and trash talk and then shot them for sport. We never saw that on MSNBC. Go figure. It undermines our whole view of middle east. It places moral ambiguity in a story that has seemed morally unambiguous for years to Americans (i.e. Israelis morally good/ Palestinians morally bankrupt terrorists). By the way, I recommend Hedges' book to anyone who wants to understand what is going on in this country post 9-11. It is a quick read and well worth the effort.

gardner 12/5/2012 | 12:17:38 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom
Between her stints at the NSC, she served as a director of Chevron Corp., a position that gave her experience in international relations far beyond the former Soviet states

Takin' care of business yessiree. Nah, no connection between the war and oil. ;-) Sheesh! What does it take to convince people? Do they have to write in black and white or is writing it in blood enough? ;-)
gardner 12/5/2012 | 12:17:38 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom
You definitely are not a beer drinker. I don't think it's possible for a person to drink enough beer to get as silly as you, sunshine.

Ah, but this ad hominem attempt to deflect just criticism doesn't really work. You're lack of any compassion for those (men, women, and children) that you consider the enemy--whether or not they have directly taken any action against ourselves--is very bin Laden like. Of course you refuse to see it and you lamely try to deflect the criticism with some witless ad hominem but I doubt anyone that is not as debased as yourself doesn't see through it. And just like bin Laden you see no problem with any amount of collateral damage as long as your holy cause is being fought for. There is one universal that is true no matter what culture or religion: A mutt is mutt, whether it wears a turban or not.
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