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r00tless 12/5/2012 | 1:44:28 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Okay, Rambo....Why don't you shut up and enlist?


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h2o273kk9 12/5/2012 | 1:44:24 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom And just what would you have done during WWII? I guess the tens of millions of Americans, Canadians, Brits, Aussies, and others who supported the war effort but didn't volunteer must have been chickenhawks as well.

You're a swell person. Hiding behind name-calling rather than debating the merits of the war. If you oppose it, so be it. Say why? Stop acting childish and stamping your feet because you didn't get your way.
whyiswhy 12/5/2012 | 1:44:21 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom What, your post?

I presume that's what you mean because commenting on the war's effect on Telecom is very to-the-point, not boring, and (your post excepted) well considered.

Are you one of those neo-anarchist (aka: facist) Bush supporters?

I mean, let's look at the facts:

1) The administration facilitates offshoring jobs to prop-up the Chinese purchasing T-bonds so they can fight a war with deficit spending.
2) If the motivation was WMD, well, that's smoke and we all know it. We murdered 9 prisoners in our, made a mockery of the Geneva convention to say nothing of Christian moral values. And it has cost 780 US lives and over 10,000 Iraqi lives.
3) If the motivation was oil, well, the gas prices are higher now than they ever have been (thanks in no small part to China).
4) And if it was oil, where are the 55 MPH speed limit signs and gas rationing and 30-50 MPG requirements for Detroit?
5) And if it was to get rid of a "bad boy" why in the world would we give a damn? There are plenty of places much worse, and aren't doing anything. Saudi Arabia for one.

Bush: Stupid, incompetent, ignorant.

The goal of this war is to privatize Iraqi oil into US hands, and set up a facist dictatorship. Just like the AG is tring to do here at home with the "homeland" defence laws.

Homeland, homeland, uber alles!

-Why (Registered Republican)
h2o273kk9 12/5/2012 | 1:44:19 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom I happen to agree with you that it is not boring, pointless,and ill considered but that's as far as it goes.
Someone is not a fascist because they disagree with you. Another name-calling tactic designed to stifle debate. Grow up. You disagree with the war. Say so and state your reasons.
As far as WMDs go, you haven't been listening very carefully. The WMD programs remained in place as stated by David Kay and others. There have been recent finding of Sarin and mustard gas. There remained a myriad number of dual use facilities located in military installations and ammo dumps. What? Do you think they needed all that stuff for cockroaches? And only the Iraqi military had a pest infestation problem?
In addition, they violated the ballistic missile limitations.
As for the Geneva convention. Iraq was not a signatory. The terrorists do not follow the convention and therefore waive their right to its protections. The terrorists are not covered by it anyway because they do not wear a uniform and have no clear chain of identifiable command structure.
Still, the US attempts to be as humane as possible. Unfortunately, abuses do occur. Again,the US is investigating and attempting to rectify the situation.
If you think the US is so bad, have you followed what happened with Canadian soldiers in Somalia? I am also aware that UN peacekeeping missions are full of their abuse problems as well. Sex and otherwise.
Unfortunately, people seem to think that the US must be perfect or it is a failure whereas others can pretty will do as they please.
dljvjbsl 12/5/2012 | 1:44:18 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Boring, Pointless and Full of Non Sequitors
flam 12/5/2012 | 1:44:17 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Unfortunately, people seem to think that the US must be perfect or it is a failure whereas others can pretty will do as they please.

I think you have it backwards. Most people in the US seem to think that they can pretty much do as they please. Bill Maher has it right, when you drive your SUV alone, you drive with the terrorists. Or words to that effect.

Fact is, all armies commit murder and mayhem. That's what they are trained to do. Fact is, if you're on the winning side, you get to call it what you want. If you're on the losing side (i.e. the Nazis in WW2), the other guys get to call it genocide.

With the ease with which even moving images can be transmitted today, I think the bottomline is that NO ONE can be on the "winning" side any more ...

whyiswhy 12/5/2012 | 1:44:16 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Someone is a facist if they fit the definition of facist. A facist is someone who believes in Capitalism without Democracy, period. The ultimate military-industrialist state. The rest like xenophobia or racism or anti-semitism is all technique to control the masses.

As to name calling, there is nothing wrong with it. Your web-handle is h2o273kk9. I would much rather use that than "the guy who is an appologist for fascism"...it's simply more efficient.

As to your comments: whether you recognize it or not, they go like this: murder is a fact of life, so it's OK to murder. I say, unborn babies die everyday, it's called being stillborn, so abortion is fine. That's your logic.

I think the better logic is: the thing that makes us diferent from a lot of the rest of the world is we at least try to be perfect. We have courts and Democracy, and they work, at least for now. Until more homeland security laws are passed.

The wrong-doers, will be punished, and not just the poor slobs at the bottom who took orders, but the arch-fascists Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rice.

h2o273kk9 12/5/2012 | 1:44:10 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom >>With the ease with which even moving images can be transmitted today, I think the bottomline is that NO ONE can be on the "winning" side any more ...

Ah, cynicism with moral relativity. The heart of the matter. This is truly the reason for the deterioration of Western Civ. Bring on the dark ages. Part deux.

So if I drive an SUV (I don't by the way) I support the terrorists.
If you mean in spirit, you are just plain wrong and you know it.
If you mean because I fund them incidentally, well, possibly true. Now, if I drive a mini, then I still fund them but less so I must be less guilty. But still guilty. If I take a bus, it still uses the gas and oil so still guilty. I think virtually everyone on the planet is guilty. Is this what you mean?

We do live in an interconnected world. 6 degrees of separation and all that. I hope you can sleep tonight knowing you support the terrorists.
h2o273kk9 12/5/2012 | 1:44:09 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom Frankly Why, I couldn't follow much of what you wrote. Somehow it turned to babies and abortion. I missed the turn I guess.

As for fascism, I have heard no pronouncements by Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, etc. that they were cancelling the election. So I guess they must still believe in democracy after all. Therefore, ipso facto...NOT FASCISTS

You dislike Bush and his policies. That's fair. I like some and not others. I have no problem with labels. Please try to correctly use them.
JoeBagadonuts 12/5/2012 | 1:44:08 AM
re: The Effect of War on Telecom "Why" calls himself a republican (more like RINO-- republican in name only) but if you read his positions and talking points they read pretty much in step with Moveon.org and other liberal groups.

I find it humerous that people make this Irag situation a fascist conspiracy (sort of like that Clinton Vast Right Wing Conspiracy thing) when your points were really the essence of the problem. The UN gave Iraq several opportunities to comply and never really did anything about it when Iraq didn't. We said we were going to do something about it and we did which came as a big surprise in many circles. Secondly, the whole "Blood for Oil" is pretty lame especially when you consider that the UN program was nothing but a blood for oil scam for France, Germany, Russia and people responsible for monitoring the problem. The price of oil is going up due to the fact that China is growing and its economy and sucking up resources, the dollar is weaker and since oil prices are tied to the dollar you get a higher cost. The oil speculators are also driving the market up. The ecology groups steadfastly refuse to go along with drilling in Alasks but we have a mish mash of gas requirements that make refining a real bitch. Meanwhile, too many people think that adjusted pre-70's gas prices are an entitlement. But of course, Bush and his oil buddies are to blame for the mess we are in. Kerry, on the other hand, points the finger at the current administration for oil prices but glosses over the fact that he's supported gas tax hikes in order to spur conservationism.

The Patriot Act was put in place to prevent other large scale terror attacks here and you know something? It seems to be working. Ask anyone who lost a loved one on 9/11 if they care about someone's supposed "rights" in light of their tragedy? It may not be perfect (as few things ever really are) but Americans demanded that its government do something and it has.
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