re: The Effect of War on Telecom(I hope people who share, oppose, or are curious by my views take the 3 minutes to read this - the links are sometimes long but worth reading)
I think this board degenerated a long time ago, and I do not seek to convince anyone about much. I do hope that we can all read, learn, question, and think more about these difficult issues.
If people are skeptical of the President, his motives, etc., are they automatically GÇ£traitors,GÇ¥ GÇ£terrorists,GÇ¥ or GÇ£anti-American?GÇ¥ Consider that we have a president who, before ordering the war to begin, putting countless US troopsGÇÖ lives at risk (forget Iraqi civilians), pumps his fist and says GÇ£Feels good!GÇ¥
Worse, our President said, GÇ£Lucky me, I hit the trifectaGÇ¥ when asked about the 3 circumstances under which social security could be raided GÇô War, Recession, National Emergency.
http://www.baltimorechronicle.... (I ignore the conspiracy theories, but read into the policy motives and views of the current administration).
Why are good citizens so worried about SaddamGÇÖs brutality and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when there are no credible links to him and 9/11, and he is, in fact, hated by Osama bin Laden? There are other countries that are bigger supporters of terrorism and have WMD, like North Korea and Pakistan (the latter supported for decades by the US under cold war calculus). The spin over the war, from GÇ£terrorismGÇ¥ to GÇ£WMDGÇ¥ to GÇ£democracyGÇ¥ undermines the good that we hope will emerge from the US led action in Iraq.
[Personal comment GÇô this spin is typical of Administration views, that are given a free pass by our GÇ£free press.GÇ¥ Consider, the budget cuts, moving from GÇ£giving surplus money back to those who gave too muchGÇ¥ to GÇ£economy stimulusGÇ¥ to GÇ£?GÇ¥ to, perhaps, ensuring government canGÇÖt grow (actually, even do what it should be doing).
If we want to consider why the world might not trust us, consider just two cases.
1)The USS Vincennes GÇô Where the US navy shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner flying along its prescribed flight plan. Instead of apologizing, it decorates the officers. There are reports that this led to greater hatred of the US, and was linked to the PanAm 103 Lockerbie crash. SO, could attacking Iraq make the US less safe GÇô more terrorism?
http://www.geocities.com/Capit... (NewsweekGÇÖs investigations verify the fault of the US, but their own website doesnGÇÖt give me public/free links to their archived articles. NewsweeksGÇÖ big story was dated July 13, 1992)
2)Pakistan (and India) GÇô Ignore PakistanGÇÖs role in the Taliban, supporting Terrorism (esp. in Kashmir), giving nuclear technology to N. Korea (in exchange for missiles), having a population that is anti-american, but the dictator there is a GÇ£willingGÇ¥ ally, so itGÇÖs all good. I wish to bring up (again), the less well-known issue of the war of 1971. Here, the US sided with Pakistan over India, even inviting China to attack India! India only intervened in what was truly the war of Bangladeshi Independence because of several factors: 1) (West) Pakistani brutality against East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). When the West Pakistanis didnGÇÖt like the election results, Yahya Khan and his ilk sent in the army to East Pakistan, killing hundreds of thousands, if not over a million (in just about one year!). Like SaddamGÇÖs killing of people, it wasnGÇÖt about killing Muslims, but about ethnicities. 2) Refugees GÇô India faced a humanitarian crisis as there were over TEN MILLION refugees pouring across its border. What did the US do? Blame India for the crisis. Rather, the *administration* blamed India, despite most of the public and even the senate recognizing IndiaGÇÖs position. The administration sent in a nuclear carrier to intimidate India. Luckily, Indians forget such matters, but much of the world doesnGÇÖt forget US inconsistencies in policy.
I do not wish to pass judgment on the US public, but I wish to point out that more and more people are getting their news from fewer and fewer sources, especially the TV. That is not a good thing, and upcoming FCC rulings (new LR discussion topic?) on media ownership restriction are critical. The so-called GÇ£liberal biasGÇ¥ of the media is actually a well-constructed myth:
Kahneman and Tversky remind us that framing effects matter. These are just part of human nature. So please, as people free enough to have the means, opportunity, and freedom to make opinions, be critical of what we are told to believe.
Peace, Prosperity and Freedom,
rtfm
GÇ£Support the TroopsGÇ¥ GÇô Sure, but not the bad policies that put them in harmGÇÖs way.
re: The Effect of War on Telecom You have done an excellent job of describing the phony patriots. Since they can present a cogent argument in favor of this brutal war that has been lodged against the Iraqi people. The US Aministration essentially lied to the American people regarding Iraq possesing weapons of mass destruction. There many other serious and blatant lies regarding Iraq that were communicated to the US populace. "Dr" Bush along with "Dr." Chenney, and "Dr." Rumsfeld concocted all kind of lies and saturated the media by repeating the same thing. Almost all newspapers promoted these lies by telling the same lie.
Lying to the American people is a very serios offense in our society. These guys may face judicial enquiry from the US Senate and the house of Representatives leding to "Dr." Bush's impeachment and resignation. In addition these guys would be charged with war time crimes for causing unwanted death and destruction. The US will probably expelled from the US.
This war is naked agression against a helpless nation. So far no weapons of mass destruction has been found and neither any kind of fatal weapons have been used by Iraq. In spite of this, most lethal weapons of mass destruction have been used by the US. The weapons of mass destruction were used in Japan, Vietnam, Serbia and Afghanistan.
There have not been open discussion by our intellectuals and academicians that have far better understandinf of war and peace. The gang in the white house that initiated this ugly war against Iraq have no idea about humanity. None of the gang members have done anything good in their lives except amasing wealth through questionable and illegal means.
The CEOs of the US companies who have acquired wealth through deceptive means have not spoken a word although their busineses are affected by this insane war. They claim to have the best brains in the world. So where is the application of brain. The country is tangled with war, so it is the best time to steal.
In the current white house, there are no intellectual to analyse the facts for "Dr." Bush.
No other country in the world has launched war against the US for inhumane treatment of 50 million Americans who do not have health insurance. No other country have said any thing for 70 million Americans who are very poor and hungry.The employment discrimination against blacks, hispanics and other ethnic minorties continues unabated. These are inhumane acts but no other country, including China, has not spoken a word against the US. We frequently critisize China for human rights violations. Why dont we examine ourelves.
The alert system that changes its color for no reason was done for the sole purpose of misleading Americans. There was never any real danger. In fact the Bush tactics was very clearly stated by Congressman Pete Stark. We are really bleshed that we have congressman who speaks the truth.
What is really troublesome is that we have weapons of
re: The Effect of War on TelecomIn a house to house search in Nassiriya 3 marines first killed the man found in the house. After that they went physical with the lady found in the house. Later to liberate her from the agony she was also shot dead. The report is under investigation at the headquarters.
At least these two are truly liberated from their souls and the freedom came to them through Americans. Trust more Iraquis are being liberated elsewhere.
So everybody who is not of your opinion is not American, a girl, Chinese, a communist or what ever. This reasoning reminds me of times when some gangsters in German thought it was up to them to define who was German and what was German. I wonder what you need democracy for if patriotism is a matter of GÇ£standing behind the leadersGÇ¥ (people in Iraq stood behind their leader GÇô even if they were to). I assume that patriotism is standing behind the people in the country you life in. That should also comprise people one doesnGÇÖt like.
re: The Effect of War on TelecomIsnGÇÖt it a bit stupid to believe that an army can fight terrorism? From what I know it takes police forces well trained in investigation to deal with this problem. It is a police menGÇÖs job to go after a criminal and catch the right one. Terrorists are criminals GÇô might their motives differ from so called ordinary criminals the victim probably canGÇÖt tell the difference. One might say terrorists are much more fanatic. In fact many murderers are just as fanatic (the case of the two snipers in the Washington area can be taken as an example).
I think we are afraid to examing our elves because of what we might find. Personally, I am afraid to examine MY elves.
Seriously Barbie, stop using the term "we" to describe the U.S. I don't consider you an American. Why don't you move back to China or wherever the hell it is you come from.
IsnGÇÖt it a bit stupid to believe that an army can fight terrorism? From what I know it takes police forces well trained in investigation to deal with this problem. It is a police menGÇÖs job to go after a criminal and catch the right one. Terrorists are criminals GÇô might their motives differ from so called ordinary criminals the victim probably canGÇÖt tell the difference. One might say terrorists are much more fanatic. In fact many murderers are just as fanatic (the case of the two snipers in the Washington area can be taken as an example).
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I think your the stupid one....You are right when you say terrorists are criminals, but to suggest that the police can handle them is stupid.
These people have shoulder launch missiles, tanks, chemical weapons, they blow themselves up, etc. Are you suggesting that we equip our police to handle this. Your crazy, it takes much more training and resources to handles these animals.
re: The Effect of War on Telecom2) Pakistan (and India) GÇô Ignore PakistanGÇÖs role in the Taliban, supporting Terrorism (esp. in Kashmir), giving nuclear technology to N. Korea (in exchange for missiles), having a population that is anti-american, but the dictator there is a GÇ£willingGÇ¥ ally, so itGÇÖs all good. I wish to bring up (again), the less well-known issue of the war of 1971. Here, the US sided with Pakistan over India, even inviting China to attack India! India only intervened in what was truly the war of Bangladeshi Independence because of several factors: 1) (West) Pakistani brutality against East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). When the West Pakistanis didnGÇÖt like the election results, Yahya Khan and his ilk sent in the army to East Pakistan, killing hundreds of thousands, if not over a million (in just about one year!). Like SaddamGÇÖs killing of people, it wasnGÇÖt about killing Muslims, but about ethnicities. 2) Refugees GÇô India faced a humanitarian crisis as there were over TEN MILLION refugees pouring across its border. What did the US do? Blame India for the crisis. Rather, the *administration* blamed India, despite most of the public and even the senate recognizing IndiaGÇÖs position. The administration sent in a nuclear carrier to intimidate India. Luckily, Indians forget such matters, but much of the world doesnGÇÖt forget US inconsistencies in policy. --------------------------------------------------
This is history. A few days ago Dubya has wiped $ 1 billion worth of Pakistan Debts. Mushharraf will go laughing all the way and wipe his ass with couple of Billion worth of Us aid and rewards. Trust this is Taxpayers money
I think this board degenerated a long time ago, and I do not seek to convince anyone about much. I do hope that we can all read, learn, question, and think more about these difficult issues.
If people are skeptical of the President, his motives, etc., are they automatically GÇ£traitors,GÇ¥ GÇ£terrorists,GÇ¥ or GÇ£anti-American?GÇ¥ Consider that we have a president who, before ordering the war to begin, putting countless US troopsGÇÖ lives at risk (forget Iraqi civilians), pumps his fist and says GÇ£Feels good!GÇ¥
KnightRidder article
http://www.realcities.com/mld/...
Worse, our President said, GÇ£Lucky me, I hit the trifectaGÇ¥ when asked about the 3 circumstances under which social security could be raided GÇô War, Recession, National Emergency.
http://www.baltimorechronicle....
(I ignore the conspiracy theories, but read into the policy motives and views of the current administration).
Why are good citizens so worried about SaddamGÇÖs brutality and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when there are no credible links to him and 9/11, and he is, in fact, hated by Osama bin Laden? There are other countries that are bigger supporters of terrorism and have WMD, like North Korea and Pakistan (the latter supported for decades by the US under cold war calculus). The spin over the war, from GÇ£terrorismGÇ¥ to GÇ£WMDGÇ¥ to GÇ£democracyGÇ¥ undermines the good that we hope will emerge from the US led action in Iraq.
[Personal comment GÇô this spin is typical of Administration views, that are given a free pass by our GÇ£free press.GÇ¥ Consider, the budget cuts, moving from GÇ£giving surplus money back to those who gave too muchGÇ¥ to GÇ£economy stimulusGÇ¥ to GÇ£?GÇ¥ to, perhaps, ensuring government canGÇÖt grow (actually, even do what it should be doing).
US CongressmanGÇÖs webpage with Columnist Bob HerbertGÇÖs article. ]
http://www.house.gov/georgemil...
If we want to consider why the world might not trust us, consider just two cases.
1)The USS Vincennes GÇô Where the US navy shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner flying along its prescribed flight plan. Instead of apologizing, it decorates the officers. There are reports that this led to greater hatred of the US, and was linked to the PanAm 103 Lockerbie crash.
SO, could attacking Iraq make the US less safe GÇô more terrorism?
http://www.geocities.com/Capit...
(NewsweekGÇÖs investigations verify the fault of the US, but their own website doesnGÇÖt give me public/free links to their archived articles. NewsweeksGÇÖ big story was dated July 13, 1992)
2)Pakistan (and India) GÇô Ignore PakistanGÇÖs role in the Taliban, supporting Terrorism (esp. in Kashmir), giving nuclear technology to N. Korea (in exchange for missiles), having a population that is anti-american, but the dictator there is a GÇ£willingGÇ¥ ally, so itGÇÖs all good. I wish to bring up (again), the less well-known issue of the war of 1971. Here, the US sided with Pakistan over India, even inviting China to attack India! India only intervened in what was truly the war of Bangladeshi Independence because of several factors: 1) (West) Pakistani brutality against East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). When the West Pakistanis didnGÇÖt like the election results, Yahya Khan and his ilk sent in the army to East Pakistan, killing hundreds of thousands, if not over a million (in just about one year!). Like SaddamGÇÖs killing of people, it wasnGÇÖt about killing Muslims, but about ethnicities. 2) Refugees GÇô India faced a humanitarian crisis as there were over TEN MILLION refugees pouring across its border. What did the US do? Blame India for the crisis. Rather, the *administration* blamed India, despite most of the public and even the senate recognizing IndiaGÇÖs position. The administration sent in a nuclear carrier to intimidate India. Luckily, Indians forget such matters, but much of the world doesnGÇÖt forget US inconsistencies in policy.
Detailed research paper that has some details on US policy-making and makers in 1971:
http://www.csis.org/saprog/ven...
I do not wish to pass judgment on the US public, but I wish to point out that more and more people are getting their news from fewer and fewer sources, especially the TV. That is not a good thing, and upcoming FCC rulings (new LR discussion topic?) on media ownership restriction are critical. The so-called GÇ£liberal biasGÇ¥ of the media is actually a well-constructed myth:
By Eric Alterman
http://www.thenation.com/docpr...
(people against thenation.com should consider reading other pieces on the GÇ£liberal mediaGÇ¥ myth.)
Kahneman and Tversky remind us that framing effects matter. These are just part of human nature. So please, as people free enough to have the means, opportunity, and freedom to make opinions, be critical of what we are told to believe.
Peace, Prosperity and Freedom,
rtfm
GÇ£Support the TroopsGÇ¥ GÇô Sure, but not the bad policies that put them in harmGÇÖs way.