The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll

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Peter Heywood 12/5/2012 | 2:16:16 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll I think the general Western perception of China really is totally out of whack with the reality. An example:

Before I went there last December, I tried to get phone numbers for dialup ports there, so that I could get email etc. I couldn't find any, so I assumed I was about to go into total darkness, an uncivilized country, for a while. I tried to organize things so that I only got essential email and told folk I would probably be incommunicado.

When I got there, every hotel I stayed in had high speed Internet access. It was much better than my experiences in the U.S.

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signmeup 12/5/2012 | 2:16:14 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll lightwave_guy,

Pretty interesting views you have there. How many times did Japan invade and conquor China? How about the Mongols?

Just in case you are too young to remember, the Chinese were allies of the US and Britian during WWII. In fact, the war the US waged against Japan in the Pacific helped keep Japan from pushing further in China.

And if you think that the US could NOT have won the war in Korea, you are sadly mistaken. We lost the war because we decided to fight a limited engagement and not win at any cost. China had to depend on protection from Russa if the US had decided to use nuclear weapons (which was considered).

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Indy_lite 12/5/2012 | 2:16:12 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll The perception versus reality goes the other way as well. In the 1980s, when China opened its door to the ourside world, most Chinese used to think the US is full of gold, "there is gold everywhere as long as you bow down to pick it up". In the early 1980s, people were willing to go to any country because they felt any country was better than China. I heard the story that dozens college graduates in a top Beijing university married some visiting students from some African country and later moved to Africa - only to find out Beijing is much better than Ethiopia. Only in the late 1980s, people realized the only places to go are the US, Japan, Australia, New Zealand etc. Nowadays, going abroad is nowwhere as attractive as before.

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realoptics 12/5/2012 | 2:16:09 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll In term of borderline, nobody has won the Korean war, both sides settled again at the 38 degree parallel in 1953, three years after communist North made a sudden, unprovoked, GÇÿpreemptiveGÇÖ invasion to the South by crossing the same borderline.

In term of casualties, it has been remained as a top state secret of China but rumors say Chinese had lost probably 10X lives to that of the coalition. Indeed that the Chinese sudden participation of Korean war caused the longest retreat in the U.S military history(the longest, that was a record) in that one month period, or that battle, but China did not win the Korean war.

Lightwave_guy, please try to not to use insulting words to others in a professional, objective debates. As you see that I told GÇÿnemoGÇÖ that what he said is baloney and Chinese could do a lot amazing things. I do not disagree with you on those things. But you got be careful that a lot of people here may know more on the real history than you do, the history you got may be a twist version from the communist textbook which often not telling you the truth.

For example, you keep claiming a 5000 year of history of China but I think that is exactly the GÇÿbaggageGÇÖ China has. 5000 years of repeating a vicious cycles of that every 250-300 years or so a new dynasty destroys the previous one, then repeats another dynasty with no essential improvement on its systems, or even worse, the later dynasties were getting worse on corruptions, so the 5000 long years means nothing good to the wonderful Chinese people! You sound loving China much, I applaud you on that, but remember China is the land and teh people, not the society, you shall love your country, but not necessary that society, do not confuse the two concepts.

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jeb_knucklehead 12/5/2012 | 2:16:06 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll You know what, you hear all this talk on this board about China this and China that. I for one am not at all worried. China is Old World even more so than Europe. We don't have 4800 years of cultural baggage to slow us down. And 1 billion people IMHO is more of a burden than a resource. China has a very LONG way to go.

Even though some people seem to WANT to see the US go down (the LR editors included).

All these reports about China assume that the government will remain stable throughout the economic transition. You are going to see massive instability and social upheaval that comes with modernization.

So Peter Heywood, you keep cheering for the Chinese to overtake us; my money will stay right here in the mean time. Even if they do approach us, I say bring it on. We're smart; we'll find a way to beat the Chinese too.

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multithreaded 12/5/2012 | 2:16:03 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll [quote]So Peter Heywood, you keep cheering for the Chinese to overtake us; my money will stay right here in the mean time. Even if they do approach us, I say bring it on. We're smart; we'll find a way to beat the Chinese too.
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How? Talking is cheape.

The another comment is how long you are sure you can secure a job in USA. Don't forget the country who steals most of jobs from USA is not China but India. Please remember that you are "fighting" with entire new emerging economic powers, China, India, and Eastern Europe ...

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jeb_knucklehead 12/5/2012 | 2:16:01 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll multithreaded-

Dude you don't seem to get it.

[quote]How? Talking is cheape.[quote]

First and foremost by not having a defeatist attitude. The American can-do attitude is one of the things that makes us such a great nation and a force to be reckoned with. We have shown throughout our brief history that we can acheive what others have called unacheivable. I have no doubts that the United States can continue this and remain wealthy and prosperous.

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The another comment is how long you are sure you can secure a job in USA. Don't forget the country who steals most of jobs from USA is not China but India. Please remember that you are "fighting" with entire new emerging economic powers, China, India, and Eastern Europe ...[quote]
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I don't need to rely on someone or some big corporation to give me a job. If I don't have a job, I will create one. The American sense of entrepreurship is unmatched by anyone, anyhwere, at any time. I will find a way to compete and when I do I will beat the competition both abroad and at home. I don't care if it's China, India, Poland, Malaysia, Hungary, etc...

I have faith in the creativity and ingenuity of the American mind. I do not doubt that many jobs are going overseas. It's happened before; it'll happen again. We still manage to stay at the top of the heap. So bring it on.

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Peter Heywood 12/5/2012 | 2:15:58 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll Actually, I wasn't "cheering on" any particular nation.

I was merely making the point that it's easy to run away with an image of China which is far from reality, particularly as some people seem to be intent on spreading ridiculous stories about the Chinese.

For instance, all of this stuff about Huawei having connections with the Chinese military sounds far fetched to me.

It all seems to be based on the founder being in the Red Army in the past, which he was. But plenty of folk in other countries have done a spell in the military before moving into a civilian job. In any case, Huawei's founder owns about 3 percent of the company, according to Huawei.

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optical_man 12/5/2012 | 2:15:57 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll Peter,
Come on, it's out there. Huawei was in both Afghanistan AND Iraq before 9/11.

"According to press reports dating back to February and March 2001, Huawei Technologies acted in violation of UN sanctions in constructing a fiber optic air defense network for Iraq around Baghdad. For example, according to a Washington Post article of 1 March 2001, the company was the subject of an official U.S. inquiry to China regarding the extent to which Huawei helped Iraq "improve links between antiaircraft missiles and the radar systems that guide them." This militarily-relevant construction project with a regime that has repeatedly sought to shoot down U.S. pilots patrolling the No-Fly-Zone ultimately led to U.S. and British bombing sorties on February 16, 2001 intended to disrupt or destroy the network built by Huawei. "

http://www.centerforsecuritypo...

Now, going forward, Huawei is currenlty building new networks in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The article below is pretty troublesome for all of us in the West. Not of because of the Iraq/Afghanistan part, but because they're winning all the deals!

http://www.ocnus.net/artman/pu...

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Peter Heywood 12/5/2012 | 2:15:55 AM

re: The Chinese Are Coming, Says Poll Is there any actual proof of these alleged Huawei contracts? If so, bring it on, baby.

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