We're out here preparing for some good roasted turkey today. There is some good eating turkey on this list, as well.
I didn't care much for the way this DJ guy went after Mr. Matthais. I don't get to see much gear besides Cisco. People like him running those tests are very useful. Beside, if I was this DJ fellow I don't think I'd take that long to respond.
You've got some mighty good questions. I'd like to know the answer, too. I've seen that Meru does reference some big customers, and that's how I came about hearing their name. But, I won't buy an AP-150 any time soon!
About the standards, what I want to know is if Meru did get a chance to defend themself. The article was pretty one-sided, full of Cisco talking and not any Meru. And those TXOPs are perfectly legit and I set them up all of the time, so I don't see what all the fussing is.
Did anyone get a chance to find out why the print article is different from the Internet one?
Apologetic to Meru? Nah. Don't know them and don't care much. I heard about them in this do you Meru article and I want to hear them out. Why are you so against those folks?
We're out here preparing for some good roasted turkey today. There is some good eating turkey on this list, as well.
I didn't care much for the way this DJ guy went after Mr. Matthais. I don't get to see much gear besides Cisco. People like him running those tests are very useful. Beside, if I was this DJ fellow I don't think I'd take that long to respond.
You've got some mighty good questions. I'd like to know the answer, too. I've seen that Meru does reference some big customers, and that's how I came about hearing their name. But, I won't buy an AP-150 any time soon!
About the standards, what I want to know is if Meru did get a chance to defend themself. The article was pretty one-sided, full of Cisco talking and not any Meru. And those TXOPs are perfectly legit and I set them up all of the time, so I don't see what all the fussing is.
Did anyone get a chance to find out why the print article is different from the Internet one?
Nothing against Meru - just seems like an amazing coincidence that three independent evaluations come out at nearly the same time and show weaknesses, and if not weaknesses then vagueness, in the Meru story.
I would have suspected Aruba was behind this except for the latest article which seems to be instigated by Cisco.
Maybe this will give the underdog a chance to prove itself. But like I said in previous posts - it does explain, maybe, why Meru has stayed away from any 3rd party testing in the past.
The interesting question is will we ever have any reliable tests that customers can look at to see if a system actually scales? The testing that Network World and Farpoint have done surely gives us a starting point.
re: The Arse-End of FMCHappy Turkey/Turkeys? day to you too,
Reliable tests are very relative, depends on what end of the stick you are on at the time. Let's face it if a customer does the proper due diligence before deploying any type of networking gear then they will create, conduct and document their own testing based upon their own criteria.
I understand and have been taught the "ART" of the competitive bake-off's/testing and know when I smell an old fish.
re: The Arse-End of FMCSo I agree that these press tests can have different, sometimes questionable outcomes. But this seems different, in that you have three separate tests all published in the past two weeks where Meru failed. In two of the three Aruba just beats them. They were blowouts. In the third, where Meru managed better performance numbers after blaming buggy code for early attempts (looks like code straight out of their engineering department), they then get called on breaking the standards. Even when they found some better numbers in a test, they get nailed.
This standards cheating thing is interesting. I'm sure vendors take liberties but there was a damning test in network computing that showed the a meru network kills the performance of any adjacent network. Unless you figure meru is going to be around for a lonnnnnnnnng time, chances are you would need to rip out your old meru gear if you need to build out your network with standard WLAN products. Think about it .. if you have a branch office in one of those big office buildings, you simply couldn't deploy a meru network, as it would kill your neighbors' performance. I suppose that's why standards are so important.
This last point actually raises an interesting debate topic -- I'm sure all vendors play loose with the Wifi standard, but when does innovation outside of the standards turn into something counter-productive to the industry? I suppose when you kill adjacent networks, that would be a great example. Although from these tests, meru doesn't seem to buying any performance advantage. Quite the opposite.
re: The Arse-End of FMCThe last paragraph in my previous posting may be confusing. What I meant to say was: "...Watch the game being repeated at the ex-CEO's (i.e. Ujjal Kohli's) new company (ie Rhythm New Media). It is likely the VCs and management there didn't know about his past history."
re: The Arse-End of FMCMeshsecurity: I agree. Respect is the last word that comes to mind when I think of Meru.
I know them from their inception. While the technical founder has good credentials he wasn't influential in management where two others, the CEO and CFO, made poor business decisions. It took a while for the board to wake up and fire the CEO, Ujjal Kohli, for bad performance. It took less time for them to also pack off the CFO, Nick Mitsakos. Can someone explain why a startup, from inception and way before revenue, needed a CFO? It turned out the CFO and CEO had more between them than a professional relationship at Meru and shareholders were worse off. Also the CEO had hired his own relative as another executive at Meru. It got worse. The CEO tried blaming the company's poor performance on numerous executives (including the founder/CTO). Aruba and Airespace and others were nailing Meru, and the CEO and CFO were busy with their other interests and not leading Meru to success (or survival) in a race with Aruba and Airespace and others that was heating up. The board finally woke up and decisively fired the CEO and CFO.
Meru is a management challenge even for a good manager, which the new CEO isn't. What can you make of company with a VP-Worldwide Sales and a VP-International Sales? And a VP for Corporate Strategy? Ex-Cisco VP-Eng left silently, CFO left, poor sales and wins are usually in edu (school districts) with poor margins, employee morale very poor. All this when competition is killing them and their revenues are in low low double digits and a dirty history.
About the test results Meru is fudging numbers in an attempt to position themselves for a sale. Lipstick on a pig. Juniper looked and walked, Cisco didn't bother to look since they the twisted history and poor reputation of the management team and poor product quality.Who does that leave? Moto? Nortel? Lucatel?
Watch the game being repeated at the CEO's new company. It is likely the VCs and management there didn't know about the CEO's past history.
re: The Arse-End of FMCI think you are are not realizing what I am saying here. I have no respect for :
AC - airespace guy KM - aruba founder MB - cronny
This is some old stuff, dude... Had me in a lab for too long trying to destroy this company. Right now I am seeking some funding for creating some things. Can you help?
We're out here preparing for some good roasted turkey today. There is some good eating turkey on this list, as well.
I didn't care much for the way this DJ guy went after Mr. Matthais. I don't get to see much gear besides Cisco. People like him running those tests are very useful. Beside, if I was this DJ fellow I don't think I'd take that long to respond.
You've got some mighty good questions. I'd like to know the answer, too. I've seen that Meru does reference some big customers, and that's how I came about hearing their name. But, I won't buy an AP-150 any time soon!
About the standards, what I want to know is if Meru did get a chance to defend themself. The article was pretty one-sided, full of Cisco talking and not any Meru. And those TXOPs are perfectly legit and I set them up all of the time, so I don't see what all the fussing is.
Did anyone get a chance to find out why the print article is different from the Internet one?
Apologetic to Meru? Nah. Don't know them and don't care much. I heard about them in this do you Meru article and I want to hear them out. Why are you so against those folks?