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7/31/2014 | 8:13:20 AM
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12/5/2012 | 3:38:59 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
Here is a blog that claims to show some of the artwork in question:
http://www.computernewbie.info...

If a 5th grade teacher asks her islamic students to look at depictions of Mohammad and consider its meaning, would you think that teacher is acting inappropriately?

If a 5th grade teacher asks her students (some of who may have religious beliefs that consider it a sin to look and comment on nude artwork) to look at such artwork, is the teacher acting inappropriately?

Seemingly from a monkey's point of view, its probably always appropriate to be inconsiderate of (or better yet, hostile to) religious beliefs.

There is no need to discuss nude art in fifth grade. School and school boards advocate sex education for public health reasons but there is no need to discuss nude art in fifth grade. Every elementary art teacher already knows this- This teacher's actions were clearly provactive in a manner inappropriate for a fifth grade general art trip.

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12/5/2012 | 3:38:58 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
CLG, do you really look at those pieces of art and see sex?

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12/5/2012 | 3:38:57 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children


CLG,

Suppose a generic release for the child to go to the art museum was sent home and signed?

I can recall no circumstance under which my child or myself (when I was a child) did not need a permission slip. Is the complaint then that the nude art was not specifically called out? Would this imply that religious art would need to be pointed out to the atheists?

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12/5/2012 | 3:38:57 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
SFWriter,

>do you really look at those pieces of art and see sex?

No, but why do you ask?
Those pieces of art are not against my religion: but I am understand how they are not allowed by the religion of others: Can't you understand that? Being considerate/tolerant doesn't mean agreeing with the religion, but it does mean making reasonable accommodation for it.

The point is, that several religions describe looking at naked bodies for pleasure or artistic study as sin.
It is not appropriate for public schools to tell the entire 5th grade to consider naked art.
If you want to do it with your child, fine. But you yourself know better than to take your kid's friends to something that might not be age appropriate unless you know their parents and if its really iffy, you would certainly ask their parents first. Teachers and school districts talk about things like this all the time- Its not up to individual teachers to push the envelope of what a 5th grader should study with respect to art if it goes against some students' religion.

BTW, I found it pretty scummy that "America's Next Top Model" decided to have a nude modeling shoot right after picking a model with a religious background (who said it was against her religion to pose nude). She would not pose nude and was forced off the show! I'm very glad she did not sell out religious convictions to have a shot at fame and money. Note: they did not have a nude shoot last year when they also did not have a religious contestant... Scummy.
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12/5/2012 | 3:38:56 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
and tell us how the ALALU merger is treating you. Or could it be, shock! horror!, that you have in fact, "left" the mothershi^Hp.

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12/5/2012 | 3:38:56 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
CLG
True Texas hypocrisy, reminds me of the saying
Gǣwhenever four Baptists are gathered thereGs usually a FifthGǥ
Bringing religion into art, got to love it!
First we wonder why US students score so low in Science, couldnGt be that we fill their heads with GǣcreationGǥ fairy tales. NaaawwGǪ

Now itGs artGs turn to see to Gǣsee the lightGǥ

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12/5/2012 | 3:38:52 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
"One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected... [This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common sense and common decency." G HL Mencken
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12/5/2012 | 3:38:51 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
Seemingly from a monkey's point of view, its probably always appropriate to be inconsiderate of (or better yet, hostile to) religious beliefs.

Odd conclusion CLG, seeing as Monkey posted a balanced NYT news article verbatim with minimal commentary.

Hostility toward the religious clearly exists with some in this country, as does hostility from some in religious communities toward those who are not. Both hostilities are equally idiotic, and dangerous.

It is unfortunate that the art trip to a public museum proved to be inconsistent with the religious beliefs of the child and family. Inevitably, conflicts like these happen in a pluralistic society. What is even more unfortunate, though, is that this turned into a jihad to get a seemingly competent teacher fired. A wiser approach could have been for the family to share their displeasure with the school, and most importantly, use the incident as an opportunity for a family discussion about their religious beliefs and where they are at odds with secular values. How else will this child gain the skills they need to live in this society?











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12/5/2012 | 3:38:50 AM
re: Texas Saves the Children
To Monkey-

Before quoting HL Mencken (or anyone else) as having sage wisdom to dispense, its best to go the Wikipedia.
Wikipedia characterizing Meneken as a racist social darwinist. I won't put his quote here because I think it is just too disgusting, but those of you who care to can go to Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

Just because a teacher, a monkey or a Mencken thinks they know better does not mean they should act on it and as a consequence, not to be tolerant of different beliefs.

I suppose you stick up for the non-Christian second grade teacher who took it upon herself to tell her class that she thought Santa Claus was a fake and showed the students documentation why she thought so. Almost all went home crying.

Elementary public schools' primary purpose is to teach reading, writing, mathematics and science.
Its secondary purpose is teach social studies, etc. and social interaction including being tolerant and respectful of differing values, especially religious/athiestic ones.
Teachers are supposed to be trained and aware of the religious needs of the students in their care.
Teachers are not given individual freedom to "stretch" students from their religious prohibitions just because in the teacher's judgement "it won't harm them".
If the teacher in question was not willing to recognise the fault, then its clear the teacher needed to be fired: requesting a transfer to another school does not address the problem.
If the art teacher wants to work at a private school that does not want to consider being sensitive to the religious proscription of her students, that is her right. Just like the cafeteria lady that only wants to cook pork or is unwilling to serve a vegetarian meal.

Thankfully, the typical liberal view: "I thought about your religious proscriptions and it really shouldn't matter to you because your beliefs are wrong anyway" is not tolerated in most school systems.

Michael,
Balanced NYT article? (It was clearly taking the teacher's side). The blog I pointed to indicated that the nude art was specifically pointed out and discussed during the field trip. It was not "OMG, a kid inadvertently saw some nude art at a museum" as represented by the NYT article.



Again, I'll ask the question to those of you taking the teacher's side: What if the 5th grade art teacher wanted to show the cartoons of Mohammad to her class that included Muslims?

Is there any level of insensitivity to religion that you view crosses the line?
Once you agree there is some, then who makes the judgement what will be accomodated? It has to be the school board and the legal system, not individual teachers.

So why are you so hung up that some religions think its a sin to look at nude art? Is it any less "silly" than eating kosher or praying or believing that humans are not the most intelligent, most knowing creature(s) in the universe?

>It is unfortunate that the art trip to a public museum proved to be inconsistent with the religious beliefs of the child and family. Inevitably, conflicts like these happen in a pluralistic society. What is even more unfortunate, though, is that this turned into a jihad to get a seemingly competent teacher fired. A wiser approach could have been for the family to share their displeasure with the school, and most importantly, use the incident as an opportunity for a family discussion about their religious beliefs and where they are at odds with secular values. How else will this child gain the skills they need to live in this society?



Hmmm, I would say that most humans on Earth today did not have their 5th grade art teacher show them and describe nude art. I would say such training is totally unnecessary for gaining the skills to live in this society.
It is not a purpose of public schools to get kids to challenge their religious beliefs or their moral values.

And it seems awfully presumptious of you to decide the most important thing for the family to do: use this as a learning exercise between the religious and the secular values.
Are you saying its a secular value to have preteens consider nude art?

Schools are intentional different and more inhibited than society at large. 5th graders can wear suggestive clothing and smoke on street corners and in malls but not in school: This is a secular value, not a religious one. Schools are to focus on learning, and self-respect and not encourage lust: or even just growing up too fast.

Most people view there is importance to "age appropriateness" of material covered in schools.

By the way, what do you think about "grinding" being allowed at high school dances? "Grinding" is bent over, front to back full contact simulated sex (in rhythm to the music).
How about for 5th grade dances?

BTW, Your use of the term "jihad", while attempting to be both entertaining and derogatory, is in itself insensitive to Moslems.
(But you kinda knew that already, didn't you?)

CLG
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