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aswath
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aswath,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:49 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
Shouldn't the table include Yahoo!Japan BB phone numbers? Also isn't there a difference between Skype numbers and say Vonage numbers? Vonage subscribers pay monthly and Skype number is cumulative, meaning if a subscriber bought SkypeOut credit two times, then the count is incremented by 2 (in my understanding).
verome
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verome,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:48 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP

It's not easy to admit the world is changing. Vonage representative isn't the only who's trying to dismiss Skype. But it's hard to compete with something you get for free. And it works. And when you need more services, you pay for that (SkypeIn, Out and Voice Mail) only and that's it.

Isn't it exactly ten years ago when Netscape listed and gave Microsoft hard time, at least for a while? There are not many companies in the world that could attack as efficiently as Microsoft did and succeed. Carriers are not like Microsoft that would be able unite and get rid of a threat (well, you never know).

McGeown's excellent point GǣOh great -- now the phoneGs free and so is the service.Gǥ reminds me of something: did you know that there are still some countries where it is prohibited for carriers to bundle the phone and the subscription? You buy your (GSM) phone wherever you want, walk into a carrier's retail outlet and subscribe to a network service that you use as long as you want and cancel whenever you want. It works, too.

HeavyDuty
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HeavyDuty,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:45 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
"Zennstrom's economic model was based on two things, McGeown believes. Skype is all about getting users hooked on the free part and then charging for additional services like SkypeOut and video conferencing..."

But what do you do when most of your customers only want to use the free stuff?

GǣSo you can imagine if youGre a wireless service provider how horrifying that must be when your economic model is predicated on, basically, a free phone, and you sign the customer up for two years of service,Gǥ McGeown says. GǣOh great -- now the phoneGs free and so is the service.Gǥ

Imagine your trying to sell a business model for VoIP where you give away the service/application, but someone still has to have facilities/physical plant to get the service from here to there (try to remember that OSI layer 3 don't go nowhere except through layers 2 then 1, and vise versa), and the faciities providers bill every month, without fail.

Anybody see a problem here?
allidia
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allidia,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:44 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
What is John Malone orchestrating in Global Broadband??? Get on it Ray.
optical_man
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optical_man,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:44 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
Have to disagree w/ Vonage's CEO on one point:
"They are certainly not impacting Vonage,Gǥ Citron says."

Skype offers an IP to PSTN softphone called SkypeOut (out of the IP network...) for 2 cents/minute in the U.S. You pay 10 Euros up front and use your minutes.
I use it when I'm on the road. Works fine.

Vonage has a softphone as an option to your flat rate account.
Vonage's Softphone option costs $10.00/month each month, every month. You get 500 minutes then it's 3.9 cents/minute after that.

Question? What if I don't use $10.00 worth of laptop to PSTN each month? I lose money.
Skypeout's pricing plan of pay for what you use, with no "monthly charge" is a much better plan.
If Vonage would match, I would add it to my Vonage account. They are losing my incremental business, so Citron is incorrect in stating Skype is not affecting him. It is. Not much, only incrementally, but isn't that what we are all trying to build/sell? (most of us). Incremental services, for that extra buck a month.
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PO,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:43 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
Does Skype conform with the FCC's pronouncements on 911 service? Or SkypeOut?

Do we need a broader taxonomy to deal with IP-only telecom (e.g. Skype, FreeWorldDialup, etc) separately from local- and long-distance replacement services (Vonage, Yak VoIP, etc)?

Regulators certainly seem to be making a distinction, at least in Canada and the U.S., among providers with and without PSTN connections. The latter are apparently not being considered as VoIP service providers per se.
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zher,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:36 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
say providing IP soft phone service for existing or even furture subscribers. Thus a subscriber is able to make unlimited calls at home using the real phone, and make unlimited calls from his/her
PCs as long as it's online.
zher
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zher,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:36 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
No.
ajrele
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ajrele,
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12/5/2012 | 3:10:35 AM
re: Skype Rules North American VOIP
they do...for unlimited calling for $25/month plus an extra fee for the softphone


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