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jepovic
jepovic
12/5/2012 | 3:17:04 PM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
Will they get done before 99,9% of all 911 calls are made with a cell phone? I doubt it.
^Eagle^
^Eagle^
12/5/2012 | 3:17:03 PM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
Stawdema;

"You DO NOT need a POTS line with FTTH at least not
with Verizon. I have FTTH from Verizon. Not sure
about DSL - there was talk about naked DSL from VZ but not sure where it went. VZ claimed it needs POTS with DSL for billing reasons ...

And yes many know how 911/SS7 work :) You are not the only authority."

Let me make one thing perfectly clear: I know some about SS7 and 911, but would never claim to be an expert. My posts were meant to point out some issues with simplistic interpretations regards 911 calls over VOIP.

I posted to stimulate some real meaningful discussion with more deep technical information. Clearly this is now happening.

regards not needing any "POTs" line with Verizon PON services. No, you don't need to keep your copper link running for POTS. But to my knowledge, the Verizon PON network is based today on BPON using a tri-plexor at the customer prem. One of the primary functions of the tri-plexor is to provide a telephone link that is not dependent on routing of calls via an IP cloud. By doing this Verizon can continue to use their existing voice infrastructure.

you may choose not to use this phone line (pots link running over FTTH) that is your choice. But a pots link is provided for every node at this time based on the literature I have seen. I agree and admit my knowledge on this is limited to what is in public domain. Several posters on this site are clearly deeply involved in access issues, so they can probably be more accurate and up to date than I.

It is clear that Verizon plans to eventually abandon this approach and go to GPON and as that happens, Verizon will have to manage carrying all its customer premise traffice over IP. Things will change and 911 will have to be managed.

My main point is that ALL VOIP providers that do not own the network / physical plant in access will have to solve the 911 issue. SKYPE is not alone. Vonage and all the others that are not facility based have same issue.

My other main point is that I don't believe that anyone using SKYPE has any risk of death due to incomplete 911 calls. My belief is that there are almost NO users of SKYPE that do not have readily available alternative to using SKYPE for 911. Most SKYPE users are sophisticated users of internet and other services and have cell phones, POTS phones etc.

Anyone knowledgeable enough to use SKYPE and have proper broadband connection and computer to make it viable should know enough to not risk a 911 call over SKYPE.

once services like SKYPE become the ONLY link for end users (this will require a lot of evolution in the network and in consumer access devices) then this issue becomes far more serious.

I fully believe that all the VOIP providers will solve this in due time as the market moves from VOIP being a cost reduction alternative to other voice calls to VOIP being the ONLY way to make a voice call.

Sailboat
dljvjbsl
dljvjbsl
12/5/2012 | 3:17:03 PM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
The IETF solution to the 911 problem being worked in GEOPRIV allows any VoIP device on the internet to access the PSAP

To use IETF speak:

This is a VERY BAD IDEA

for the very reasons that you pointed out
stephencooke
stephencooke
12/5/2012 | 3:16:30 PM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
Hi,

Interesting thread...

- E911/999/112 is not an easy nut to crack
- E911/999/112 does not prevent deaths from occuring
- Location is a big problem for mobile devices whose sole communication protocol is IP
- Denial Of Service is a major IP-centric issue
- Should new technology be developed to make E911 services better? Sure, but lets worry about achieving the status quo first.
- Are new standards the answer? Not in the near future nor likely before the next ice age.
- VoIP is no panacea and has substantial hurdles to overcome, technical and otherwise.
- There is a significant, and generally ignored, legacy equipment problem to overcome. Holding a phone of any description to your mouth and saying HELP!, ASSISTEZ!, etc. will not be implementable on a global basis until long after the aforementioned ice melts. Funny enough though, this was possible in the days of operator-centric calling.
- It seems as if the voice appliance itself has to take on the E911/999/112 service routing. If it has a GPS capability and can understand the language of the user (ie: "HELP!") it needs to immediately access the emergency database of the local carrier, in a standard fashion, and direct the call accordingly (eg: language-of-consumer-capable, as close to local as possible, etc.). Additional features such as not being able to hang up the call, only one such call per device, passing the customer's vital signs, providing some video of the area, storing of this information with ICE (In Case of Emergency) contacts could also be implemented there.

Steve.
Kix
Kix
12/5/2012 | 3:31:42 AM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
The article is somewhat misleding and it implies that he ony way to get a range of attractive features that Skype does not offer is to got to an MSO and pay $39 per month.

Actually, Vonage has a phone number and is either $15 per month for 500 minutes or $25 for unlimited minutes in the US and Canada. Vonage also comes with a very nice set of voicemail and call forwarding features included. The one I find most useful is the feature that captures a voicemail as *.wav file and sends it to any e-mail address that you specify. Very useful while travelling internationally.

Kix
PO
PO
12/5/2012 | 3:31:39 AM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
Under what basis does this service claim to be exempt from 911 laws which apply in the US and Canada? It hasn't been that long since the headlines screamed about people dying because they couldn't provide a location from their cellphone when dialling 911. And even more recently that headlines decried the danger posed by voice calling services (such as Vonage) which had difficulty providing 911 service.

How many people does EBay have to allow to die before LR takes a more balanced view of Skype?
Michael Harris
Michael Harris
12/5/2012 | 3:31:36 AM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
No doubt, the more Skype acts like traditional phone service, the more likely they'll have to play by traditional phone service rules like E911.
Michael Harris
Michael Harris
12/5/2012 | 3:31:33 AM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
The article is somewhat misleding and it implies that he ony way to get a range of attractive features that Skype does not offer is to got to an MSO and pay $39 per month.

Actually, Vonage has a phone number and is either $15 per month for 500 minutes or $25 for unlimited minutes in the US and Canada. Vonage also comes with a very nice set of voicemail and call forwarding features included.


This is not the intended implication. Since Vonage's packages and pricing are well known, they weren't mentioned.

The intended implication is that Skype's low-ball pricing for a best-effort VoIP service hurts Vonage more than cable.
sgan201
sgan201
12/5/2012 | 3:31:29 AM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
http://www.skype.com/products/...

Hi,

You can get a phone number for Skype for 30 euro per year. It comes with voice mail too.

Dreamer
Michael Harris
Michael Harris
12/5/2012 | 3:31:28 AM
re: Skype Makes Cable Phone Sound Better
Yep, though it is still in beta testing, and rings back your computer client. More bad news for Vonage?
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