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lastmile 12/4/2012 | 11:14:01 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 Skype, Vonage, 8.8, Cable Co's and a host of other established names have a remarkable say in VOIP. The RBOC's feature only when they are attacked!
DSL is a good example. They would never have invested in DSL had it not been for startup competitors who upset their balance of existence.
Can someone please explain what happens to POTS when VOIP becomes the main form of voice communication?
aswath 12/4/2012 | 11:13:59 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 Analyst Kamman expects that carriers will buy VoIP on its merits. I am of the opinion that the merits of VoIP as a business for the service providers are not fully understood. All service providers either offer unlimited calling to other subscribers for free or for a nominal fee. Since the subscribers need broadband and an always on internet connection a service provider is not needed to mediate on-net sessions. So the only source of revenue for the service providers is when they provide interconnection to PSTN; but then everybody is predicting that PSTN is a dying business. So what gives?

Aswath
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 11:13:58 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 Can someone please explain what happens to POTS when VOIP becomes the main form of voice communication?

Audio connections will be improved by orders of magnitude and the cost per connection will decrease by orders of magnitude.
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 11:13:58 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 So the only source of revenue for the service providers is when they provide interconnection to PSTN; but then everybody is predicting that PSTN is a dying business.

The better model would shift the pendulum from gatekeeper fees to charging for value added services. Unfortunately, the status quo gatekeepers don't get that and they don't realize their inherited postions aren't helping. And it's worse because they are the ones hijacking things and writing all the rules and regulations which prohibit growth and advancement.

So what gives?

Looks to be more BS that doesn't help our industry, our economy, nor our country. Sad that we let it happen.
lastmile 12/4/2012 | 11:13:54 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 From BM.
"I do not see much future and profitability in yjr VoIP services. VoIP will never switch vircuit and packet switched network currently in use."

'yjr VoIP services' is something that I have never heard about. Even 'switch vircuit' is something new to me.

Is all this a new tech revolution that no one has heard about or is it the usual garbage from Dr. Dolitter.
BobbyMax 12/4/2012 | 11:13:54 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 BellSouth is moving too quicly in the VOIP business.It is moving too quickly to provide VOIP services without any infrastucture planning, and economic and service model. BellSouth has also not paid enough attention to bundling of services/

I do not see much future and profitability in yjr VoIP services. VoIP will never switch vircuit and packet switched network currently in use.
kampar 12/4/2012 | 11:13:54 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 >Can someone please explain what happens to POTS
>when VOIP becomes the main form of voice
>communication

Having attended the recent NGN conference in Boston, I can say with authority (because it was the subject of several presentations) that the world is moving steadfastly in the direction of 802.11x ... who needs POTS when there is a clear plan to move all network access traffic over the unlicensed spectrum? Free bandwidth for all (and you think i'm making this up ... several camps are quite seriously promoting this).

VoIP in the last mile needs an Ethernet transport to become reality ... hence the interest in Ethernet in the First Mile technologies ... forget fiber to the house, EFM is what the ILECs are really waiting to deploy to mess up the MSO's ... you only need FTTH (Fiber To The 'Hood) for this.

Before widespread IP phone ownership becomes viable, someone has to implement large scale VoIP platforms and services in the network first - personally I think that's coming, several companies have proven it can work in the lab and small scale implementations ... just waiting for real demand to drive deployment faster.

kampar
kampar 12/4/2012 | 11:13:54 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 BobbyMax is moving too quicly in the message posting business. It is moving too quickly to provide an information service without any infrastucture planning, and economic and service model. BobbyMax has also not paid enough attention to bundling of dictionary and grammar.

I do not see much future and profitability in yjr BobbyMax services. BobbyMax will never switch from poor understanding of topics over packet network currently in use.
Sisyphus 12/4/2012 | 11:13:53 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004
> .. Having attended the recent NGN conference
> in Boston, I can say with authority ..

Permit me to meet that statement with some skepticism, having attended almost every NGN conference since 1998... :-)

If the ILECs have a plan to replace the subsriber loop with 802.11x, I haven't seen it. 802.11x does seem to have some fundamental issues when it comes to that, in my opinion.

And why would the VoIP platforms have to be huge? If you do the conversion on the CPE, there's no large VoIP platforms a la Class 5 required, it's merely about routers and bandwidth, the network likely to become distributed and flat.
lastmile 12/4/2012 | 11:13:53 PM
re: RBOC VOIP Coming in 2004 Sometimes the non-tech guys (like me) confuse the hell out out of the highly qualified tech stalwarts. And in the midst of all the confusion Bobby Max posts garbage.
I would sincerely like to know what will happen to the Copper loop that that connects the consumer to the PSTN/POTS.
If the RBOC's are talking VOIP, Why are they doing so?
Their monopoy in the local Copper loop has been established for centuries then why the hell are they talking about VOIP?
My answer:
Competition. Skype,Vonage,8.8,Cable and a few others that I am unaware of. RBOB's never react till they are threatened for survival. Even a non-tech guy like me knows that.
My humble non-tech opinion.
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