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5urf5hop
5urf5hop
12/5/2012 | 2:40:07 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
>I'm not talking about esoteric features
>surferboy.

hey ... that was a good one. You're making me laugh. :-)

>I'm talking about stardard BGP,
>OSPF/ISIS, and MPLS that large providers
>run in their backbone.

Mr Big Boy reflection, :-)

What you're talking about is the basic core feature set 101. Procket has what you've listed, and it has been undergoing rigerous testing with Major Players for quite some time. For years, I think.

> severely unpolished

polish?

It's obvious you've never played with their recent OS... Get your hands on one of their low cost PRO/1 Lab test boxes. It's a PC with 5 Ether ports that runs their OS. A real good OS tester before you test/buy the real iron.
andropat
andropat
12/5/2012 | 2:39:55 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
All,

I don't disagree at all with Tony posting to these boards as CTO or not CTO. It has nothing to do with time and workload and him using his time better. What it validates is something I and many have thought all along. His "name" is on procket and is what keeps the people and the funds pouring into the company. He should feel truly honored that his name alone warrants this influx of attention and cash.

No other startup could in my opinion during these times continue to hire highly regarded people and continue to raise capital like Procket. It is the hype that Tony Li as a name has caused that keeps this going. Tony posts to these boards because he does have the time and is in a "customer touch" role reaching out to the big names in the ISP environment that he has become close with over the years. They are the ones that have had the PCs running in their labs for years. they are the ones that are giving procket the time and doing the debugging and don't fool yourselves if you think it's for free. They are involved financially and do have incentive to do the testing. If not all there are definitely some.

So this is what is sad. People are investing and coming to Procket because tony Li is involved and look what he did at juniper and cisco. However the reality is that I want to know what percentage of time he spends on the daily decisions, architecture decisions, software decisions, etc., Other than of course being included on probably every email that is sent about the product. I'll tell you what.

If I were Tony I would do the same thing. I would post like hell to this board using my name and reputation to get everyone to respect me even more in hopes you will test my product and not say bad things so i can continue to raise money and sit at home and make even more cash. Not that he needs it but now it's just gotta be fun. Good luck to all you guys doing the testing and for those about to start make sure you demand some shares... before the next dilution.

Pat
routethus
routethus
12/5/2012 | 2:39:54 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
Andropat,

>>......continue to raise money and sit at home and make even more cash. Not that he needs it...<<

Not that he needs it? Well life is a little different when you have put your own money on the table.....
the_lord
the_lord
12/5/2012 | 2:39:53 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket

Mr. Andropat:

Do you understand that you are making a strong accusation about performing an illegal activity.... I would be more select about stuff that you say....

Procket cannot give stock away to external entities in order to get testing done... If so, the SEC would love to discuss this with both parties... Rebates and bribes generate a conflict of interest. A hired employee has a fiduciary responsibility to his company. Taking stock to say something nice about a product is illegal, and the QWEST execs learned this the hard way.
Sisyphus
Sisyphus
12/5/2012 | 2:39:48 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
> .. Taking stock to say something nice about a
> product is illegal ..

I think it' a gray area. Admittedly, it is a gray area that many companies have chosen to limit in scope or eliminate by having implemented ethics guidelines. I think in most companies now you have to ask for special approval to join advisory boards and such.

But on the other hand, creating a network of common interest is actually as old as the world and highly desirable. Why shouldn't your most loyal strategic customer be rewarded by his commitment? The world has always worked that way - and eliminating conflicts on interest is always going to remain a gray area.

I don't think it's accurate to claim it is generally illegal.
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 2:39:42 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket

Pat,

For what it's worth, I try to participate in every significant decision where I have something that I can contribute. Because of where we are in the product rollout process, the bulk of my time is spent supporting customers. F'rinstance, right now, I'm in the field, helping to install systems.

Regards,
Tony
firstmiler
firstmiler
12/5/2012 | 2:39:39 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
Word has it that with Roland Acra coming in as CEO there has been/will be a shake up in the sales organization? Anyone know if this is the case?
andropat
andropat
12/5/2012 | 2:39:37 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
tony,

Great to hear. good luck to you and your customers. btw, are you tech support then these days as well? Or do your "customers" just enjoy the feeling of seeing Tony Li? You signing books as well on your trips?

pat
andropat
andropat
12/5/2012 | 2:39:37 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
the lord,

yes yes it is accurate. not sure all the details of how it happens but unfortunately as others have said it does in fact happen. I'll let the lawyers figure out what is truly above and beyond the law. but the bottomline is that there are people testing this product with a financial stake in it's success.

end of story.

Pat
yikes_stripes
yikes_stripes
12/5/2012 | 2:39:36 AM
re: Procket Stuffing Its Pocket
Quote from a web page about the book "Brodbandits","Matt Bross, chief technology officer of Williams Communications, who pioneered a new kind of financial trick G the equity-for-customer-contract deal. Start-ups such as Corvis, Avici Systems, ONI and Sycamore Networks paid Bross millions in stock to use their equipment."

Good read at http://www.siliconeer.com/past...
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