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Amused 12/4/2012 | 11:58:23 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent "I'm no psychologists though I believe herds of people with a victim mentality are susceptible to horrible autrocities."

WOW, how boldly anti-Semitic of you. No different than the herds of people who naively believe that their leaders wouldn't lie to them because they are socialized to believe that multi-millionaire corporate leaders are somehow super-human, non-corruptible, non-neurotic, and completely selfless; the herds of the working-class who continue to work their lives away for pennies while their brave, fabulous leaders continue to pull down massive salaries and stock options for making insanely poor business decisions. Victim mentality? Wake up; it's just how corporate America works.
gea 12/4/2012 | 11:58:23 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent BobbyMax:

All your base are belong to us.
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 11:58:22 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent WOW, how boldly anti-Semitic of you.

What are you talking about? "Victim mentality" doesn't mean people weren't persecuted. Sometimes the mental state come from true opression. And sometimes not.

Victim mentality? Wake up; it's just how corporate America works.

Who forces anybody to work for corporate america? Many people don't sign on that dotted line and the last time I looked they weren't be trained off to concentration camps. If you feel otherwise, you're sadly mistaken.
let-there-be-light 12/4/2012 | 11:58:11 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent rjmcmahon said:

...I'm no psychologists though I believe herds of people with a victim mentality are susceptible to horrible autrocities. How do such herds lead themselves out when their leaders are not?...

The comparison between a dictatorship and a badly run company is very apt. The amont of power exercised by the CEO of a multi-billion company is quite extraordinary, especially if the board supports most of his/her actions (often the case).

The "employees", by which I think we are talking about the lower-level workers (I guess CEO and cohorts are not considered as employees), really do not have much say in the destiny of the company and can be compared with Hitler's "Kanonenfutter", i.e. "food for the cannons" (youths he sent to the eastern front shortly before the collapse of Berlin).
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 11:58:10 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent The "employees", by which I think we are talking about the lower-level workers, really do not have much say in the destiny of the company.

An institution that accepts the above statement is going to fail. The "workers" have everything to do with the destiny of the group. And if their voices are silenced, or ignored, the group's fate is not good.

My suggestion is to speak out. If it offends peers or bruises the egos of the "upper-level" minions, then so be it. At least you'll know if you're in a good place or not.
let-there-be-light 12/4/2012 | 11:58:08 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent rj, you said...

...My suggestion is to speak out. If it offends peers or bruises the egos of the "upper-level" minions, then so be it. At least you'll know if you're in a good place or not...

Just curious...
1. do you have any experience working in such a company and "speaking out and bruising egos"? (nicely put, by the way!) if so, what was the result?
2. do you have anyone relying on you for their daily bread?
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 11:58:07 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent 1. do you have any experience working in such a company and "speaking out and bruising egos"? (nicely put, by the way!) if so, what was the result?

Yes. I became stronger, wiser and less fearful of uncertainty. I found that many "superiors" don't like these traits in their "workers", but the ones that do are the ones that enable us to achieve great things.

2. do you have anyone relying on you for their daily bread?

Yes. And I do understand that the provider role begets serious obligations for those with dependents (or family members in need). I also believe "the bread" that matters most is largely provided by the society in which we live. The daily bread I bring to the table is a small loaf in comparison.
DarkWriting 12/4/2012 | 11:58:06 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent gea:

All your BS... Awww nevermind, it's too easy.
[email protected] 12/4/2012 | 11:57:42 PM
re: Oak, Soros Buy Excel From Lucent > One of the world's most influential companies
> have been broght down by fotune seekers, stock
> options addicted and back door entry to the
> management of the company.

Yep, if I ever interview with a company run by ex-Lucent managers, I'm gonna avoid them too. DNA's probably crooked too! :-)

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