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TCPIP 12/4/2012 | 8:24:38 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan What's the different between the OXC and ADOM?Thanks in advance
lordcirrus 12/4/2012 | 8:24:23 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan >What's TI?
Terabit Intercept (Interceptor?). They gutted our design group to staff this. I consider this to be a mistake.

>I never understood that. All the data stuff is software-configurable as SONET or SDH. Why isn't the transport stuff like that?

I wish I knew.

>"The worst part of it was the excess in 2000... "
>Would you really have predicted this though?

No, but our whole group got $6000USD in bonuses last year, for doing our jobs (Knowledge Networking initiative). Granted, I absolutely love Primus, but should I get $6000 USD just for using it? It was in our own best interest to populate the database anyways. This I consider to be excess.

Some members of my group max'd out on Pride Awards.

TGIFs were a lot of fun, but if you take say 2000 workers, for 1.5 hrs, at $25/hr, plus food and drink for say $10/each, and say 100 taxi chits @ $20/each, it adds up really quick as a monthly expense. Can we say that the price of ESAT is $100000 per month ($200000 in the summer)?

>SKY... Tower 1?

Yep.
mr_twinkie 12/4/2012 | 8:24:21 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan
1) Same thing. Brand name/Project name.
2) Certainly hyped as such and it sets the act to carry OC-768 traffic. But there's a lot of work to do before Nortel can run against the Coredirector in my opinion. Another topic entirely.
3) The five 9s ie. 99.999% uptime ie. pipe-dream especially in metro. But makes a nice sales pitch.
4) They just put it out a month ago. I doubt that cisco themselves know.
5) Why couldn't we just buy the software instead of having to buy the company? Sort of reverse out-sourcing. And they still haven't made clarify entirely seamless with other ticketing systems like prostar for instance.
6) It was the evolution of the market. SDH took off a lot later than SONET. Hardware in the olden days was based completely on SONET. They had to do a new design cycle for SDH. New products are taking both into account.

I'm curious as to what bad decisions you're talking about. Noone expected the market to turn sour this fast. Everyone was being hired under the sun to keep up with the demand. Everyone was getting paid higher just to stay with their job. Real estate was scarce. Tides turn, things change. Just because hindsight is 20/20 doesn't mean the decisions they made back with the facts they had were bad.

TGIF was a great idea. Expensive sure, but it also gave you the chance to talk to other people outside of your group and even your department. With a big company like Nortel it's good to get contacts. If there's anything that annoys me about where we're now, it's that they took that out.

Pride awards were not a bad idea. But the way they were setup from a budgetary level that was stupid. It gave execs the ability to use a pool of money to do credit to their employees' 'exemplar' abilities. But the rules were so vague, and the control so lax it set the stage to be abused. So why not use it to push an initiative that otherwise not be there? Maybe it was wasteful but it was used a lot better than it was elsewhere.

TTM demands are a reality. Quality is always sacrificed. Look at any of new products scheduled to be released from nortel, cisco, ciena etc none of them are anywhere near reliable. But show it first, then fix it. I don't know if that's the way it should be, but that's the way it is.

The only thing I will agree with is that the layoffs hurt a lot of the wrong people. Nortel has still unfortunately got a very rigid, managerial command structure. And more often than not it's the skilled people at the bottom that get dropped rather than the true incompetence up higher.

Whew that was a bit and a half.
wildcard 12/4/2012 | 8:24:20 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan My lord of the clouds,

I believe that your estimates are a bit short, no self respecting Canadian would drink only ten dollars of free beer. Basically what I get from your post is that thing were real good, now they are not so good, and its really cramped in your little cube in sky 1. One can only imagine how bad life is for you.

Why you and your little band mensa network wizards were out shall we say eating five to six colleagues a month, all this must have been approved expenditures. I bet even the management who approved all this is still employed, hovering around John RothGÇÖs e-sphincter I would imagine, hoping they are not next to go.

IMHO, they should have torched the building, snacked on the charred flesh, and claimed the insurance, what a terrible accident. This would have been much more efficient and would not have stalled the entire company for the first web year 2001 causing the last round of reductions, hope you survive the next web year 2001, I hear that itGÇÖs cold mining aluminum in Ottawa in the winter.

wildcard
prefer_to_lurk 12/4/2012 | 8:24:20 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan
TI and OPC are not the same product/project.

OPC has been spoken about publically for some time, but TI is (I believe) still under Non-Disclosure -- so I'm not going to say a whole lot about it...

ptl
lordcirrus 12/4/2012 | 8:24:18 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan >You think Metro products are bad...

Well, I am curious as to how the 15454 stacks up to the product I support...

>Re: SKY, Tower 1
>Are you in support by any chance?

Yes.
lordcirrus 12/4/2012 | 8:24:18 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan I drink NO beer.

No one in my group is in mensa as far as I know.
melao 12/4/2012 | 8:24:18 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan "6. Why are the SDH (TN..X) boxes different? Why not build the functionality into the older stuff that came out first? It seems to me like it's a duplication of effort..."

i can answer that.
Nortel bought a company called STC that already had STM-1 and STM-4 adms. So they continued to develop their products as they already had a R&D facility in UK.

The STM16 and STM64 which came later on are based on the OC48 and OC192.

About the TN16XE, it was developed as the TN16X consumes too much space.

Belzebutt 12/4/2012 | 8:24:18 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan 1)Wasn't that Project Blue? Never heard of TI. Have you ever seen those cartoon posters of the "Opterriens" working on a secret "terrabit weapon" or something like that? I believe that was for OPC.
3)There's probably only 2 or 3 products in the whole portfolio that actually meet that standard. The stuff that's on release 15 and higher :)
I could be wrong though.
You think Metro products are bad...
6)Oh, I see. Well, as long as the new stuff has both combined.

Re: Pride Awards
That Future Shop on Merivale must have made half its business last year punching in those certificates. If you walked in there carrying a FedEx envelope they would pounce on your like a pack of hungry wolves.

Re: TTM
Yea, they used to build the stuff so that it was stable when it shipped, but when you compete with Cisco et al, you have to do it their way: ship first, make it work later. Like I said, at least the stuff you work on is near the top of the supportability charts...

Re: SKY, Tower 1
Are you in support by any chance?
lordcirrus 12/4/2012 | 8:24:17 PM
re: Nortel's Got a Plan And who would you be? Not one of those "slackers" I take it? =)

What product / group?
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