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Pete Baldwin 12/5/2012 | 2:58:25 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? I'd add that I'm still flabbergasted that Cisco built all the TelePresence A/V parts itself, claiming there was nothing "suitable" on the market. There's got to be something more to that.
Pete Baldwin 12/5/2012 | 2:58:25 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? Hm. A lot of what you describe here sounds a lot like the Cisco TelePresence demo -- the directional sound, the eye contact, etc. Not sure what's better...

The price sure isn't! I guess Nortel can put a $300K tag on it because Cisco did ... but Nortel isn't using all home-grown components like Cisco was. You'd think Nortel could therefore offer a better price.
litereading 12/5/2012 | 2:58:22 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? does it matter what C. builds or develops themselves, or does it matter more that their solutions work well, as well or better as any one of their competitors and priced at a competitive value. The fact that Cisco's solutions tend to work very well, has made them the successful company they are today.

btw - I work for a Cisco competitor.
desiEngineer 12/5/2012 | 2:58:22 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? Quoth sailboat: "I am sure Cisco did the software.. after all software is their strength."

Tongue firmly in cheek :-)

-desi
^Eagle^ 12/5/2012 | 2:58:22 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? don't believe everything cisco tells you regards "building the AV parts themselves.

at least not until you actually take apart the product and see for yourself what parts they "built" themselves and what parts were bought.

you might be surprised to see how little of it they actually built. I would wager they did not build the TV's, the camera's, the microphones, the other pickups, etc. I would bet that most of the "AV" portion of the kit was off the shelf and simply repackaged by Cisco to have the combination of packaging and stylish fit they were looking for. I am sure Cisco did the software.. after all software is their strength.

sailboat
rahat.hussain 12/5/2012 | 2:58:21 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? Questions to reporter who reports only half the story:

Why on earth would you get impressed by the technology/marketing of one telepresence company and report on competitive merits based on the claims of the PR folks?

Should you not file the story after getting the same demo from Cisco?

Or, can you simply file the story and report on the impressive Nortel's telepresence system?

(Which would have been fair, except you had to take it to the next complete suck-up level of quoting Fernandes as saying: "Cisco's telepresence is not nearly as immersive as ours is," he said. "They put a couple of plasma screens in front of you, but it's not the same immersive experience as this." Really, what else is he going to say? We are a me-too product?)

It is time reporters stop getting swept away by "PR extraordinaires" and start digging into the real merits and product claims.

If there were a turkey award for lop-sided reporting, this timely reporter would get the honors!

odo

p.s. No CSCO fan here, but just calling on some basic reporting fundamentals.

bollocks187 12/5/2012 | 2:58:20 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? How big is this market ? The price tags of 100K - 300K seem over the top. Is it not just a better form of video conferencing.....



Pete Baldwin 12/5/2012 | 2:58:18 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? sailboat:
"don't believe everything cisco tells you regards "building the AV parts themselves."

Ah. See, that's the kind of thing I meant when I said there must be something more to this...
Raymond McConville 12/5/2012 | 2:58:18 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? odo,

You raise a valid point, but I did admit that I have not seen cisco's service and I am not endorsing Nortel's words as my own.

That being said, I am looking into seeing Cisco's demo first hand as well and I will certainly post on that when I get the opportunity.
Pete Baldwin 12/5/2012 | 2:58:17 PM
re: Nortel Trumps Cisco? 7 -- yes, true, and that's a good followup to Sailboat's point.

Why didn't Cisco want to use another vendor, though? I have a hard time believing nothing was "good" enough. Couldn't have been a price issue -- we're talking about a $300K room! Patent issues, maybe?

... By the way, there are a couple of startups doing TelePresence-like systems. I'll have to check out Teliris in SF sometime soon.
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