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netskeptic 12/4/2012 | 8:18:07 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy > I was under the impression that you paid a
> price for all these shares at CSCO. You know,
> the "sweat shop", "no recognition" thing. From
> talking to people who work at this kind of
> place.

Forgive my ignorance, however, I kind of unable to reconcile the notion of cisco being sweat shop with the notion of cisco having worthless R&D and expanding only by acquisitions ????

I am just curious.


Lopez 12/4/2012 | 8:18:06 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy Wouldn't that still be a bunch of do-good'ers working on the same BayRS stuff? Besides, all these people were in Bellarica.

Yes, but they actually had experience building a router. The data plane side of things should have been left to them, while the reliability/carrier grade side of things handled by the Nortel folk. You know sort of leverage each side's strengths.

Are you also an ex?

Yes, email [email protected] if you have any other questions.
tony1athome 12/4/2012 | 8:18:05 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy >Forgive my ignorance, however, I kind of [am]
>unable to reconcile the notion of cisco being [a]
>sweat shop with the notion of cisco having
>worthless R&D and expanding only by >acquisitions????

Neither extreme is true. If you would like to see a true sweat shop, there have been certain startups in the valley that are a FAR more accurate depiction of a sweat shop. Similarly, Cisco internal R&D has produced things like the 7000 and 12000 series. Not perfect, but certainly competitive. The acquisitions are a necessity because the internal development teams can't be grown as quickly as necessary through normal hiring practices.

Been there, got the T-shirt to show for it.

Belzebutt 12/4/2012 | 8:18:04 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy How would you describe the Juniper atmosphere compared to Cisco?
testdude 12/4/2012 | 8:18:01 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy Since I got this whole Juniper vs. OPC discussion going I must say I'm overwhelmed at the ideas/ feelings everybody has towards both NORTEL as well as the OPC project.

I was a dedicated employee of NORTEL for more than 7 years pretty much on the data side from the start and like most people felt NORTEL's strengths were in carrier grade, legacy data protocols(and voice of course) but needed help in IP. This is when I got out to try and get some real IP/Optical experience with the hope of maybe bringing it back one day.

OPC's theories about a carrier grade scalebale IP router are excellent ideas but they certainly would have to buddy up with another company to get it done. A Juniper alliance would certainly help but I don't beleive it would happen if Juniper had any say. Anyhow, this is where BAY was suppose to come in. They were the experienced IP guys purchased by NORTEL to turn them into an IP company and get them away from voice. Now its interesting to hear the Bay types saying that they never felt NORTEL was good at IP when they were the ones suppose to turn it around, although I agree there was some pretty stupid things done like canning the Versalar, which I'm sure caused alot of Bay types to leave. I guess this is why most agree aquisitions never really seem to work.

But if NORTEL could ever get some good IP guys on the OPC project and get it to market, I'm sure it would be successfull. But it has to happen soon. Initially I beleive OPC was suppose to be delivered by mid 2001 with at lease presence at supercomm. This is why I'm so stunned there actually talking about the same idea's that OPC was suppose to address but filling the blanks with Juniper instead.

If OPC can't/doesn't happen by YE 2001, then I would agree that they should stay as close to Juniper as they can. I remember NORTEL talking about buying Juniper as an extension to Passport about 2 years ago. Man they would be swimming in it now.

From another happy ex-norteler. Good Luck OPC. I wish you all the best.
dodo 12/4/2012 | 8:18:00 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy Before you popped in to add your rebuttals to my comments, Belzebutt was the only one providing +ve views on the OPC on this PARTICULAR thread.

With all due respect to all "Nortelers" residing in the Ottawa Labs, I never expected you to share confidential info or expose the current problems the dev team is experiencing. I have worked in Ottawa and other dev locations and I do know the policy and sometimes it does amazed me to read what current employees are writing on these boards.

So don't put everyone in the same basket and most ex-employees do still have stake in the company and expect Nortel to be the darling again.

My point was: It seemed that Belzebutt has "his hand in every single portfolio "( something expected from every S&M staff prospecting new customers or supporting incumbents so that we could be knowledgeable Nortel ambassadors) and it was great to know that there are engineers who have a good appreciation of other pdcts outside their own black box.

FYI: Since the availability of Brand Mgmt and SyS Eng is limited , sales & mktg are pitching all the technical stuff to the customers-big or small and that way all the internal interminable re-orgs are transparent to us.

As far as being vocal, we are inclined to be that way because we are tired of the same litany.All we are doing is stating the facts based on our experiences in different locations and we are hoping that things will change for the best. Unfortunately some people equate Nortel=Ottawa and forget that others have been sweating ( oh yes!! and we didn't have TGIF parties btw) in other locations to make Nortel successful.

Since you named the VPs: I know Brian well and I do have respect for him ( that's why he was elected Manager of the year in 97/98) but, as you said it, we still have some dead wood driving the mktg side ( no names please) and only time will tell.

You have managed to ride the storm and I say:"good for you and good luck"

Nothing personal :)

mrcasual 12/4/2012 | 8:17:52 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy "
Heck @ Cisco or the old Bay, you could be a flunky and get 3k shares at
your review for an associate engineer.

My damn admin had more shares then some lifer VPs.


OK, I'll take a stab. Are your initials SL?
ExNortel 12/4/2012 | 8:17:50 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy Like I would say if they were or were not?

If I wanted my identity to be known, I would have used my real name.


dodo 12/4/2012 | 8:17:49 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy Posted Wednesday, June 6, 2001
Nortel cuts up to 500 Ottawa jobs
By Derek Abma, InBusiness Media Network

There are signs that as many as 500 Nortel Networks Corp. employees in Ottawa were given pink slips on Wednesday.
Will Massaad, co-founder of Intelligent Technology Solutions Inc., a high-tech recruitment firm based in the nation's capital, said he saw numerous r+¬sum+¬s on Tuesday from laid off Nortel workers. Massaad said the r+¬sum+¬s covered various skill specialties, such as product verification, engineering and other technical vocations.

A Web site run by renegade reporter Pierre Bourque said the telecom equipment maker cut 500 jobs in Ottawa on Wednesday.

Nortel spokeswoman Wendy Herman would not confirm or deny employees were laid off on Wednesday, adding that any job cuts would be part of the worldwide layoffs of 20,000 that were announced in April.

Massaad said 500 was probably a good ballpark figure for the number of workers handed pink slips by Nortel on Wednesday.

"Our phones are ringing off the hook," he said.

Massaad said he would not be surprised if certain product lines cancelled, given the numerous layoffs.

"They're letting go some really important skill sets," he added.

Layer0 12/4/2012 | 8:17:46 PM
re: Nortel Gets Meshy it's the same technology, just made cosmetically compliant to NT's good fashion sense.

Sorry, no conspiracy...
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