re: Nortel Gets Meshy>Nortel spokeswoman Wendy Herman would not >confirm or deny employees were laid off on >Wednesday, adding that any job cuts would be >part of the worldwide layoffs of 20,000 that >were announced in April.
This pisses me off. If they knew who in April, why didn't they lay them off in April?
All these directors/VPs et al are playing "Duck & Cover", which is irresponsible. Do the corporate-responsible thing and let them know/go ASAP. Our design/verification group got hit with 15% _two months_ after us. Why the hell didn't their managers/directors/VPs do the responsible thing and take the initiative? Here's the dead wood right here....
It would be good and proper for JR to cull the people who didn't take action when they should have. If 20000 are announced, they know the general areas and should be proactive in those areas. Furthermore, by not doing it sooner, it implies that the cuts are not done and that more are on the way... a great morale booster =( ...
That's my opinion anyways... Of course, I'm just a peon...
re: Nortel Gets Meshy"With all due respect to all "Nortelers" residing in the Ottawa Labs, I never expected you to share confidential info or expose the current problems the dev team is experiencing. I have worked in Ottawa and other dev locations and I do know the policy and sometimes it does amazed me to read what current employees are writing on these boards."
Hmm... who was this remark addressed to? Personally, before I post a bit of technical info I make sure that it's on www.nortelnetworks.com first.
No sweat! you are not the target, though I do appreciate the fact that you do share you knowledge ( no inside info) and you have been fair in your comments and rebuttals :)
But sometimes, I have been surprised by some of the comments written by others ( Nortel employees or recently laid-off) during these on-line discussions.
BTW: is it confirmed about the 500 lay-offs in Ottawa. I got the breaking news from silicon Valley NORTH.
re: Nortel Gets MeshyWhat do you want from life? Will recognition make you happy? Cool, you don't need cash! Me, I'll take the cash every time. "Money can't buy happiness, but it sure makes misery more bearable!" "Heck @ Cisco or the old Bay, you could be a flunky and get 3k shares at your review for an associate engineer."
I was under the impression that you paid a price for all these shares at CSCO. You know, the "sweat shop", "no recognition" thing. From talking to people who work at this kind of place.
re: Nortel Gets MeshyWhat do you want from life? Will recognition make you happy? Cool, you don't need cash! Me, I'll take the cash every time. "Money can't buy happiness, but it sure makes misery more bearable!"
re: Nortel Gets MeshyIGÇÖve been looking at networking for large-scale deployments for a few years, and there are many stories, which unfortunately canGÇÖt be told (for obvious reasons), but there are a few things that come to mind reading the NT threads here.
So much depends on marketing and hype. Nortel spoke evangelically about the V25K (even while they had the stake in Avici), but it was always 2 quarters away. In fact, I remember being amused on seeing the Economist annual 2000 (I think that was the year) forecast (and previous year wrap-up), and it mentioned under things that will help and shake up the Internet, GÇ£look for NortelGÇÖs Vercelar 25000GÇ¥. This was the only product singled out!
The boys from New Jersey (LU) had the Packetstar coming, which if you went to their website, didnGÇÖt scale very well, forget not having ruggedized Service Provider IP s/w. They would say aaah, yes, but itGÇÖs intelligent. Then they go and buy Nexabit (which people would claim is neither great hardware or software).
There are other companies that tried to claim core routers, and didnGÇÖt cut it (some not even well-known, rather working as a private sub-group of a larger outfit, and then fizzling out).
There have been so many trends, things that spike up and settle down towards reality. There was the time of terabit routers. Then of optical (metro next-gen sonet). Then of all-optical cross-connects. Now people talk of storage. I would tend to agree with what many people have said or implied here: itGÇÖs not the hardware, but the software that will be key, especially for routing. Even in optical transport and switching, software will drive optical intelligence, ASICs and components wizardry notwithstanding. Personally, I see optical networking doing well, with components getting much cheaper over time. This is from the user point of view, and doesnGÇÖt mean all 200 start-ups/players in this field will do well. But, routing, access, and technologies that allow more services are where a lot of work is needed. This hasnGÇÖt even begun to address issues like multi-cast, IPv6, etc. I think v6 should be viewed as a choice, not as a necessity, especially for Greenfield deployments. If anyone looks outside the US, esp. towards Asia, theyGÇÖll see this.
But enough of my rant. Anyone got an intelligent, carrier-grade core router they want to sell me (few dozen), also with working arbitrary link aggregation, ITU DWDM optics (what the hey, tunable lasers while weGÇÖre at it), etc?
This pisses me off. If they knew who in April, why didn't they lay them off in April?
All these directors/VPs et al are playing "Duck & Cover", which is irresponsible. Do the corporate-responsible thing and let them know/go ASAP. Our design/verification group got hit with 15% _two months_ after us. Why the hell didn't their managers/directors/VPs do the responsible thing and take the initiative? Here's the dead wood right here....
It would be good and proper for JR to cull the people who didn't take action when they should have. If 20000 are announced, they know the general areas and should be proactive in those areas. Furthermore, by not doing it sooner, it implies that the cuts are not done and that more are on the way... a great morale booster =( ...
That's my opinion anyways... Of course, I'm just a peon...