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krishanguru143 12/5/2012 | 5:13:19 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo



Nokia will stick with MeeGo and Symbian.&nbsp; The high-end feature phones being MeeGo.&nbsp; The apps will run on both and Ovi will support both.

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Why does Nokia need to offer music?&nbsp; Is that even a winning combination these days?&nbsp; Nokia can sync with iTunes music, so why does Nokia need to offer music services when they can just use what is already there?&nbsp; Where is the Android music store?&nbsp; You brought the music portion up, not me.&nbsp; How about the RIM music store, where is it?&nbsp; WebOS music store?&nbsp; They just tried to use iTunes to sync the music by making their devices look like an iPod.&nbsp; They all seem to be missing, if Apple wants it, let them have it.&nbsp; Nokia tried the music service and it failed, it is not that they did it wrong, it is just that people didn&rsquo;t need yet another music store.&nbsp; Yahoo, Walmart, MSN all tried the music store game and lost.

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Ovi will be used for the app store but unlike Apple, you won&rsquo;t be tied to it.&nbsp; Nokia has long-term developers that have stuck with them.&nbsp; Compare that to Apple where more and more developers are getting fed up with the Apple police.&nbsp; Different rules for different companies and constantly changing rules that hurt the small developers.

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Isn&rsquo;t an app software?&nbsp; So how can Ovi sell software and apps?

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How will Andorid help Nokia?&nbsp; You have yet to answer that.&nbsp; You have manufacturers that just undercut everyone.&nbsp; How does that help margins?&nbsp; Android manufacturers have to make their phones standout, make changes to the OS/GUI to differentiate their products.&nbsp; How does that help developers?&nbsp; You have a mix of low-end hardware and high-end and some apps won&rsquo;t run on some phones.&nbsp; Is that an sustainable ecosystem?




DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 5:13:19 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo

lanbrown, you're very excitable and I think I may have missed something.


Do you think Nokia should stick with MeeGo as its OS and ovi as its app/music/software store?


I'll set up a poll for our readers to see if they agree. I'm stumped frankly and I wouldn't blame Nokia if they produced some Android devices and some MeeGo ones, using ovi-based services to tie the devices (and existing Nokia users) together.

krishanguru143 12/5/2012 | 5:13:19 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo



Prove it is wrong. &nbsp;Journalism is just reporting.&nbsp; Compare that to someone that thinks of new ideas.&nbsp; How has journalism made life better or easier?&nbsp; Sure an author wrote about a flying machine, but it took an innovator to make it happen.&nbsp; Much akin to management, they don&rsquo;t innovate, they just oversee it.

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If you want to get into your profession, a journalist is there to write about a story, not influence the story.&nbsp; Is LR an opinion site or a news site?




paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 5:13:18 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo

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Phil,


What I see in your conversation with Ian is someone who does not get what Elop is saying.


Ian - basically here is what the CEO is saying:&nbsp; Our current path is to go out of business.&nbsp; Without a dramatic change Nokia will cease to exist in a definable timeframe.&nbsp; Everything we are doing - E V E R Y T H I N G - needs to be on the table.&nbsp; All the past needs to be ignored.&nbsp; If you believe Nokia has a good position then you are wrong.&nbsp; This is not me saying this.&nbsp; This is what the letter says.


You can argue with Phil about this, but really he is just throwing out ideas in lieu of other information.&nbsp; The only information in the memo is that Meego is dead as is Symbian.&nbsp; They may carry on as Zombies for a period of time, but as of right now they are dead.&nbsp; Trying to defend them is a waste of time.&nbsp; Nobody cares and the rate that nobody cares is accelerating.


I particularly love your comment that Apple does not innovate.&nbsp; All I can say is...Wow.&nbsp; I had a friend who ran a project that had all kinds of issues:&nbsp; Understaffed, Not enough Senior Folks, etc.&nbsp; He got it out the door and the product flopped.&nbsp; The guy did this by basically driving his team and himself into the ground.&nbsp; I pointed out that the product was a failure and he got very upset.&nbsp; Because he lived getting it out the door, but objectively it was late, expensive and short features.&nbsp; No matter how well he did personally that is just the truth.&nbsp; So Nokia's people may have done some really great work, and the latest generation of products suck compared to the competition.&nbsp; That is the truth that Elop is giving.


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PS - Journalists never create anything - except maybe LiteReading right?


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krishanguru143 12/5/2012 | 5:13:18 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo




YOU mentioned MUSIC. &nbsp;Where is the ANDROID MUSIC STORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! &nbsp;You say music is important, where is it from Google? &nbsp;Oh, Google doesn't have one, then why would Nokia want to be part of that ecosystem? &nbsp;You make a point of how great Android is and that Nokia needs Android as Nokia cannot create their own ecosystem. &nbsp;So you want them to go to an ecosystem that doesn't have what they already offer?&nbsp; Name the ecosystems that offer music.


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So far Phil, you do a lot of double talk. &nbsp;You don't even realize that software and apps are the same. &nbsp;How can anyone take you seriously?


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That 25% is US ONLY. &nbsp;You want people to look at the big picture and long-term potential but yet you have Apple stalling in sales.&nbsp; How does that look for long term growth?&nbsp; It shows that Apple is saturating the market they are in.&nbsp; Nokia has continued to sell more devices every year and the increase in units that Apple saw, Nokia exceeded.&nbsp; If Nokia was in such dire shape as you think, why did they sell another 33 million smartphones last year?&nbsp; How come Apple has failed in Japan and India?&nbsp; They even failed in the UK until they offered free phones.&nbsp; They had to pay people in Poland to stand in line to get an iPhoney.


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You are also missing another key factor; Apple is stealing IP.&nbsp; They have admitted to stealing IP of Nokia as they have IP that is required to make a GSM phone.&nbsp; Apple has yet to license it, they just use it.&nbsp; Apple has great margins because they haven&rsquo;t paid the bill yet.&nbsp; The day is coming and if the case is heard before an LTE iPhone, it will never be released until Apple pays licensing costs.


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Seven,


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Learn the alphabet and don&rsquo;t ASSume.&nbsp; How is increasing sales carrying the zombies?&nbsp; That is Apple users and people are getting a little sick of the walled garden approach and constant changes.&nbsp; I expect fewer apps in the store going forward as developers pull out.




DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 5:13:18 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo

Okay, I'll concede all of your points.


Given all your info, Nokia is doing just fine and shouldn't change a thing. No idea what that Elop guy was going on about...


And Apple, boy, they're in trouble. From 0 to 25 percent market share in less than five years. The end is nigh, apparently.&nbsp;


Thanks for setting me straight. :)

krishanguru143 12/5/2012 | 5:13:18 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo



Since you like statistics.&nbsp; 1/3 of the iPhoney sales come from the US.&nbsp; So, without the US sales, the iPhoney would be dead.&nbsp; AT&amp;T activated 15.2 million of them during 2010 and Apple sold 47.5 million during the year.

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You also liked to show negative numbers for Symbian.&nbsp; As I said, statistics can be used to say anything you want.&nbsp; Nokia shipped 67.7 million smartphones in 2009 where Apple did 25.1 million.&nbsp; In 2010, Apple shipped 47.5 million and Nokia shipped 100.3 million.&nbsp; Apple increased their sales by 22 million and Nokia increased their by nearly 33 million.&nbsp; Apple has a greater percentage increase, but what counts is units shipped, not the percentage.

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As for music.&nbsp; You don&rsquo;t need to offer a music service in order to be music capable.&nbsp; You can use the existing music service the user has as long as the music is not protected.

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As for Moto.&nbsp; If it wasn&rsquo;t for Android, they would be out of business.&nbsp; So has Android helped them?&nbsp; Yes, but what do they have to follow it up with?&nbsp; They had the RAZR and that strung them along for a few years before they were back with nothing.&nbsp; The same will happen again.&nbsp; So Moto is not a good example as they have nothing else in their arsenal.&nbsp; Nokia shipped over 435 million phones in 2010 and 100 million were smartphones.&nbsp; How many phones did Moto ship?

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If we look at Q3 to Q4 2010. Apple had 24.3 and 25% marketshare in the US.&nbsp; So their sales were relatively flat.&nbsp; How does that bode for them?&nbsp; They have peaked on the GSM side so their only hope is Verizon.&nbsp; Some of those sales will come from AT&amp;T.&nbsp; Apple has another year of growth and that is it.




Mark Sebastyn 12/5/2012 | 5:13:17 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo

What a surreal thread. I thought the Canadian boys with their Blackberrys were dead enders, but a passioned defense of Nokia vs. Apple is suicidal.


I was almost physically assualted while telling a bunch of people at an Ottawa party in 2008 that RIM was cooked.


BTW Phil, your comeback about "content" was great. If what you did wasn't valued, no one would be here wasting their time creating more content, free of charge, like I am right now.

DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 5:13:17 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo

That doesn't even make sense. "Something so important to you use media and yet you fail and your own argument."


What Klingon translator are you using?

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 5:13:17 PM
re: Nokia's 'Burning Platform' Memo

Ian,


You are clearly a Nokia and one of those arrogant employees who needs to get fired.


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