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edgecore
edgecore
12/5/2012 | 1:48:56 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
I heard rumors last week that NT was going to acquire CSCO to get into the router game...or was the rumor that Rob would ask Amber to marry him in order to secure the 1M prize?

I need more coffee!

EC
slickmitzy
slickmitzy
12/5/2012 | 1:48:56 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
Come on, they must be kidding.
They didn't even writw their own routing code.

My experience with the shasta product is horrible.
Although last time i touched it was about two years ago, it wasn't a pleasent experience.

At least they copied cisco cli.

I wish them all the best but i see nothing new and exciting in this platform.

BTW, a small correction for LR. cisco 7600 does support 10G Ethernet ports.

xbar
xbar
12/5/2012 | 1:48:55 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
Is this router better than Dunn's finance reports?

One serious point though, is the Multi Service Edge market real or is it hype like GFP in SONET/SDH?

xbar
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 1:48:51 AM
re: Neptune Arrives

Sorry, not true. While Juniper started with gated (pre NextHop), almost all of the functionality was gradually replaced with home grown code.

Tony
dand
dand
12/5/2012 | 1:48:51 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
Writting routing code is a waste of time. Juniper saw fit to use NextHop's stack as well.
stephenpcooke
stephenpcooke
12/5/2012 | 1:48:51 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
One serious point though, is the Multi Service Edge market real or is it hype like GFP in SONET/SDH?

Carriers seem to think that it is important. In addition to the carriers listed in the article see:

http://www.selling2bt.com/init...

If you look at any of those presentations it looks exactly like what Nortel has created. The timescales aren't that far off either.
coreghost
coreghost
12/5/2012 | 1:48:49 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
NextHop has also evolved their code over the interveening years.


NextHop's code has gone from being unusable
junk to something only slightly better than junk.
But its still not competitive if you want to
build a product to take on cisco or juniper
in the market.

And no matter how much evolution nexthop claims
to do, it always turns out to be the same flawed
and poorly written unmaintainable software at
its heart.

The point your missing is that you will not
be competitive *unless* you rewrite BGP again.
The people who have adopted the strategy of
depending on nexthop have either ended up failing
or been positioned downward in the market to
the level where BGP working or not doesn't
matter. And there are lots of product areas
where things can be sold with barely working
routing software.





dand
dand
12/5/2012 | 1:48:49 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
Tony:

Granted. Avici has done the same with their version of GateD; they have nearly morphed all of theirs as well. The salient point is that it isn't especially fruitful to rewrite BGP yet again.

NextHop has also evolved their code over the interveening years.

DanD
xbar
xbar
12/5/2012 | 1:48:49 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
You said: "looks exactly like what Nortel has created."

This sentence does not create a lot of confidence from the outset.

BT CTO office publications by itself do not imply this this will become a reality. I would say that the CTO folks are at a cross-roads where they need to appeal to all the stakeholders in the company without threatening anybody in the organization.

Please try harder to educate me why you believe this is a *real* trend both on MSE and GFP. I am a skeptic from birth:).

xbar
coreghost
coreghost
12/5/2012 | 1:48:48 AM
re: Neptune Arrives
One serious point though, is the Multi Service Edge market real or is it hype like GFP in SONET/SDH?


The market for MSE is real. But the real
requirements are for something less than the
traditional god-box ideas.

I dont think nortel is well positioned for MSE
sales however. Neptune is far more likely to be
sold to the type of nortel customer who bought
Shasta boxes.

MSE is also really crowded already and nortel
is coming to the party very late.
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