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telekommie 12/4/2012 | 9:49:59 PM
re: Multiservice Switches greybeard,

Thanks for the update on the Lucent GX-550/CBX-500 - but where do things stand now? It seems like Lucent is only milking this product "on the shelf" and doesn't have a clue or intention to add new features to these switches and the Naviscore NMS (plus all of these developers have flown the coop).

Anyone who knows more than just rumors/conjecture please reply.
nw_design2002 12/4/2012 | 9:49:04 PM
re: Multiservice Switches Your posts were interesting. We are dealing
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lucifer 12/4/2012 | 9:46:43 PM
re: Multiservice Switches telecommie -- right on the nose! Great to see that we haven't all drunk the IP rules KoolAid.

>
> Does anyone know why Lucent has fallen off the planet in this area that
> Cascade/Ascend initially ruled? (CBX-500 & GX-550).
>
No investment, best staff left, Lucent mgt...
...


>
> You list Edge, Core and Edge/Core switches, but you left out the
> following...
>
> EDGE - Nortel Passport 15000 (this is probably the main Edge multiservice
> switch selling in NA right now especially for VoATM - this omission shows
> somebody doesn't know a whole lot about what they're writing...was this the
> case of an IP-head writing an ATM/RBOC article....I think so.),
Isn't Nortel's market share > 45% ?? BIG omission!

the Alcatel
> 7670 ESE should also be mentioned - carriers will buy more of these than any
> Wavesmith box (and Gotham's defunkt so what are they even mentioned for?)

Wavesmith and Gotham = dreamland. Maybe some real vendor will pick some nice technology but in current market, they never had a chance!

The Cisco MGX-8850 is also a big seller in the Edge

Don't you really mean Stratocom IGX + AXIX? Now that was a great company until CSCO ate them up!

> CORE - It's actually the Alcatel RSP not MSP.

One to watch, but they're also drinking KoolAid au Fran+ºais...MPLS, non-stop routing: hit CSCO where they're strongest. Smart move!!


> Go ahead and laugh...and keep on losing money like all the rest of the
> IP-heads and Data ISPs. Even Cisco is changing their tune on Multiservice
> Switches again....look for them to start making some big announcements/push
> for the MGX-8830, 8850 and 8950.

Methinks too little too late. Do Carrier really trust Cisco? When's the last time you heard of a succesful Cisco VoIP sale to an IEC or ILEC??
> Gotta hand it to Cisco they're a two dollar whore, but they're a rich two
> dollar whore :)

Amen Brother, where art thou!


Light Bearer
lucifer 12/4/2012 | 9:46:42 PM
re: Multiservice Switches (attempt to fix formatting)

telecommie -- right on the nose! Great to see that we haven't all drunk the IP rules KoolAid.
Does anyone know why Lucent has fallen off the planet in this area that Cascade/Ascend initially ruled? (CBX-500 & GX-550).
No investment, best staff left, Lucent mgt. Need one say more?
You list Edge, Core and Edge/Core switches, but you left out the following...
EDGE - Nortel Passport 15000 (this is probably the main Edge multiservice switch selling in NA right now especially for VoATM - this omission shows somebody doesn't know a whole lot about what they're writing...was this the case of an IP-head writing an ATM/RBOC article....I think so.),
Isn't Nortel's market share > 45% ?? BIG omission!
the Alcatel 7670 ESE should also be mentioned - carriers will buy more of these than any Wavesmith box (and Gotham's defunkt so what are they even mentioned for?)
Wavesmith and Gotham = dreamland. Maybe some real vendor will pick some nice technology but in current market, they never had a chance!
The Cisco MGX-8850 is also a big seller in the Edge
Don't you really mean Stratocom IGX + AXIS? Now that was a great company until CSCO ate them up!
CORE - It's actually the Alcatel RSP not MSP
One to watch, but they're also drinking KoolAid Fran+ºais...MPLS, non-stop routing: business goal -- target CSCO where they're strongest. Smart move!!
Go ahead and laugh...and keep on losing money like all the rest of the IP-heads and Data ISPs. Even Cisco is changing their tune on Multiservice Switches again....look for them to start making some big announcements/push for the MGX-8830, 8850 and 8950.
Methinks too little too late. Do Carriers really trust Cisco? When's the last time you heard of a succesful Cisco VoIP sale to an IEC or ILEC??
Gotta hand it to Cisco they're a two dollar whore, but they're a rich two dollar whore :)
Amen Brother. Where art thou?
Light Bearer
NetworkMercenary 12/4/2012 | 9:46:37 PM
re: Multiservice Switches Ahh, the refreshing scent of reason - well said kommi.

Personal opinion: Marconi's BXR48K - this box will prove to be a leader in the multi-service core. No, I don't work for the vendor but have enjoyed many years of success in the SP & enterprise space using the ASX product line (success=ease of provisioning, scalability and reliability=sellin' services).

Quite frankly, I believe that Marconi is here to stay. Especially considering the US MIL's firm interest in their products.

My 2 cents - NM
telekommie 12/4/2012 | 9:46:20 PM
re: Multiservice Switches Network Mercenary,

Looks like you're on the money regarding the Marconi BXR-48000. This morning there's a press release on Converge Network Digest regarding a Federal deal with that platform...

"DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SELECTS MARCONI'S BXR-48000 FOR 10 GBPS ATM
The U.S. Department of Defense purchased Marconi's BXR-48000 switch-router to transport data at up 10 Gbps using ATM. The shipment confirms the commercial availability of Marconi's BXR-48000, a multiservice packet switch-router that scales from 40 to 480 Gbps. The BXR-48000 is designed to concurrently and natively support connectionless IP routing, MPLS and ATM switching at up to OC-192c. Marconi has been a long-term supplier of ATM equipment to the US government. The company said its working partnership with the federal government has resulted in an installed network base that exceeds $1.3 billion."
RouteThis 12/4/2012 | 9:46:19 PM
re: Multiservice Switches So it looks like Marconi is the first to deliver a real multiservice core switching platform (40-480 Gb). Instead of Ma Bell it looks like Uncle Sam was the first to snap this one up.

Any word on where things stand for the Nortel Passport 20000 (70 Gb) or Cisco MGX-8950 (120 Gb)? Last I heard, they are (at least initially) only a dressed up Passport 15000 (35Gb) and MGX-8850 PXM-45/B (30Gb) with less features.

Where is Equipe in all this?

____________________________________

Telekommie wrote:

Network Mercenary,

Looks like you're on the money regarding the Marconi BXR-48000. This morning there's a press release on Converge Network Digest regarding a Federal deal with that platform...

"DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SELECTS MARCONI'S BXR-48000 FOR 10 GBPS ATM
The U.S. Department of Defense purchased Marconi's BXR-48000 switch-router to transport data at up 10 Gbps using ATM. The shipment confirms the commercial availability of Marconi's BXR-48000, a multiservice packet switch-router that scales from 40 to 480 Gbps. The BXR-48000 is designed to concurrently and natively support connectionless IP routing, MPLS and ATM switching at up to OC-192c. Marconi has been a long-term supplier of ATM equipment to the US government. The company said its working partnership with the federal government has resulted in an installed network base that exceeds $1.3 billion."
billyjoebob 12/4/2012 | 9:46:11 PM
re: Multiservice Switches Mr. Saunders,

Your childish need to include a reference to Ronald Regan simply so you can put a link to his letter stating he has AlzheimerGÇÖs is simply tasteless, boorish and sophomoric. I am sure in your incestuous circle of friends this passes as funny - but in a publication like this it is offensive.

It takes a truly small, mean spirited person to belittle anotherGÇÖs failing health, much less such a horrible and debilitating disease such as Alzheimers. Do you find equal pleasure in kicking the walkers from under the infirm, or steering at the dogs crossing the road?

I am not debating Ronald ReganGÇÖs Presidency - I am pointing out your callous, tasteless, petty and mean spirited, meaningless link was unnecessary to the article and put in only for your benefit. There was a time when being liberal meant being open minded and having compassion - now it appears to represent petty, smug and self congratulatory snobs willing to laugh at the helplessness of somebody old, ill and unable to defend themselves.

It was tasteless and you owe your readership an apology.
telekommie 12/4/2012 | 9:46:05 PM
re: Multiservice Switches Now it appears to be official - here's the press announcement for the BXR-48000 from the Marconi website.(actually it looks like Lightreading mentioned this as well)

http://www.marconi.com/html/ne...

I still have a very strong feeling that Cisco is going to be coming out with press releases and a strong push for the MGX-8800/8900 in the very near future. It's not the best product, but Cisco has come a long way and even when their products are crap they know how to sell it - still, however, in the carrier space....we'll see.

I just like seeing those IP-heads choke on their own ATM-bashing words for a change :) I still can't believe "Cisco" now has an ATM/multiservice switch certification program...."those who can't do teach"?? In Cisco's case it appears to be more of a jump-on-the-bandwagon-to-make-some-bucks tactic - nothing wrong with that - hypocrits are allowed to cash in too.

Telekommie
broadbandboy 12/4/2012 | 9:46:02 PM
re: Multiservice Switches telekommie wrote: "I just like seeing those IP-heads choke on their own ATM-bashing words for a change :) I still can't believe "Cisco" now has an ATM/multiservice switch certification program...."

The thing you have to remember is, the multiservice switching products come out the Stratacom acquistion. Their Frame/ATM switches are entrenched in some very large carrier networks, including a three letter one beginning with A. That group has always felt a little isolated in the midst of a huge IP-centric conglomerate.

So I wouldn't hold Cisco's IP-ness against them. They are probably just doing their best in a difficult environment.

As for Marconi, this is very good news, becuase it means the BXR is real, not just slideware puffery or beta-quality junk.

Now, the big question is, will they get more business from service providers, assuming there are any left with money to spend on BXRs? I know some people on this board have a more informed opinion about that.

BBboy
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