Meet Me in Southborough, MA?

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darthvader 12/4/2012 | 10:13:56 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? Yes, Six million users is a lot. That is not the point. It is just enough to ensure you will never need another box in any city.

To understand the product you need to look 5 - 10 years in the future. The product was designed to be deployed now, and will fill your needs for the next 10 years without expensive replacement. This IS the way large providers work.

It used to be that when you put a switch in your phone system it would last 20 years. That's what justified the cost of the equipment. But lately people have been deploying products that barely meet the current market. You must update every 1 - 2 years to keep up.

DSC made their company by making a switch that lasted decades in the carrierGÇÖs system. This is actually old economy stuff that the failed new economy people forgot.

So, why not for only a little more money then a two-year box, buy a ten-year box?

It's crystal clear to me.

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great white buffalo 12/4/2012 | 10:13:54 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? Let's all go swimming! O'Fallon here we come!

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itsme 12/4/2012 | 10:13:48 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? I use to work for Celox, St. Louis and it was a great place to work. The hardware & software teams are top notch. The founders set the pace and the rest of us tryed to keep up. Give this team a reasonable spec. to design to and it will get done.

I keep seeing references to the box being able to handle 6 million simultaneous users. This is only when the box is fully loaded. I would assume you start out much smaller and then add cards as your needs grew thus giving you lots of headroom for growth. Is this wise? That's for the marking types and customers to decide on. The HW/SW teams built what was asked of them and did a damn good job of it.

Unlike other places I've worked, the object was to deliver a product. Instead of waiting around for someone to make a decision, those responsable made a decision and we went forward.

I'm not going to get into the Boston/St. Louis stuff except to say I don't think too many people are going to move to Boston unless they already wanted to move there.

I know there are a lot of top notch engineering resumes flying around the St. Louis area now (or soon will be). I'm glad I'm not competing against them. If anyone needs a great team, this is a great place to start looking, especially the firmware group :-) .

Best of luck to you, it was great working with you.

Now, what do with my shares??

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glad2Bgone 12/4/2012 | 10:13:48 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? enough STL vs SBO talk as both have huge problems. Lets face fact #1... The box is 16 months late. Enough said. Fact #2.... Celox has ZERO traction with anyone besides AT&T. People at the top did not bring in players who had serious connections at the various carriers we needed to penetrate. All the eggs were put in one basket. If SBO never materialized, you would still all would be in the exact same boat today. "STL know-how"...working long hours and working smart are 2 very different things. It seems we only knew how to do one. Great people, poor leadership....if you want to lay blame, look to the top because they are the ONLY one's who haven't executed and delivered what they were brought in for. The only things they are doing now is cultivating the spin they will put on this whole mess to step into something else.

ciao

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optiboom 12/4/2012 | 10:13:44 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? It widely known in the 495 area that Celox picked up engineers passed over by many other startups. It's just not a strong enough or experienced enough team for the s/w task at hand. In fact, that's the cause of the year+ slip.

The senior management team have service provider backgrounds with little to no product development/delivery experience. These guys needed to bring in a product leader at least a year ago to get the s/w finished.

Too bad for the St. Louis team for apparently losing control.

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yomama 12/4/2012 | 10:13:44 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? $1,000,000.00 fully loaded. Let's actually double it to 50 boxes for all business type traffic= 50,000,000.00 Total= you cannot live long on sales of $$50,000,000.00.

Yo!

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sgan201 12/4/2012 | 10:13:44 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? Hi,
Actually, there is only 150 million household in USA. 150/6 = 25 boxes..
How much are they going to charge for each box??

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Bit_ripped_off 12/4/2012 | 10:13:43 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? fantastic pool party!

I thought I heard them singing...

Bye, Bye, to the stock market high
Gave my chassis to Kent Mathy and that Hugh Kelly guy
And good old boys were drinking Shag and warm Beast
And singing "That'll be the day we move East"...

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yomama 12/4/2012 | 10:13:41 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? "It widely known in the 495 area that Celox picked up engineers passed over by many other startups. It's just not a strong enough or experienced enough team for the s/w task at hand. In fact, that's the cause of the year+ slip."
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I could'nt agree more, Celox did not have anyone on the software side that was widely known in the industry, the licensed their OSPF s/w from some lame Indian company that eventually was bougght out and any of those engineers left. I myself was hired on the spot, no references, no nothing, the interview was a joke and then some guy was telling me that Celox would be the next Redback, mind you this was back in mid-2000. The whole Celox Southboro deal was a sham in my opinion, people hiring relatives and other conflicting issues.

Yo

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jabberwock 12/4/2012 | 10:13:40 PM

re: Meet Me in Southborough, MA? > Celox built a box that could handle 6 million
> users per a fully configured box. Ok, let's do
> some math...

I can't believe how much people are harping over this 6-million user thing. Let me make an analogy:

My PC motherboard has two dual IDE controllers, so it can accommodate 8 drives. Assuming I put 10 gig drives in it (the norm when I bought it), that's enough storage for over 86,000 640x480 color bitmaps! That's more images than I'd ever need to store. So why did I buy it?

Do I have to use it to store 640x480 bitmaps? Of course not. I may want to store bigger images, or other types of files. Do I have to populate all of the IDE interfaces? Of course not. But I could if I needed to.

The point is, just because a switch can handle a zillion users under certain conditions doesn't mean that everyone will want to use it that way.

(And FWIW, the IDE interfaces weren't the reason I bought this motherboard anyway :).

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