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my2cents 12/4/2012 | 7:48:06 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch WSN currently is totally focussed on ATM, no focus on IP & Frame Relay, forget about MPLS.
Moreover, the box is meant for small applications.
Any carrier who plans to buy it, will have to link together couple of WSN boxes for any useful application, which is cumbersome not to mention hard to manage. I am not sure the carriers want to replace 10 boxes from 5 vendors with 5 boxes from WSN.

Equipe architecture looks more reasonable. Also they are seem ahead in terms of readiness.

Out of WSN & Equipe, WSN is the weakest link. Goodbye.
lu-alum 12/4/2012 | 7:48:04 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch Thanks Mr. Rainville :-)

Again, why are we comparing a HUGE switch with a little switch, isn't this a little ridiculous?

Does anyone really think the equipe refrigerator is viable as an edge box, likewise, does anyone think that the WSN pizza boxes are appropriate as core boxes. It's ludicrous. Maybe it's because these are the only two companies with new products in this space that might be viable so therefore they must compete. Give it a rest!

Besides, Gotham will kill them both! ;-)
_____ 12/4/2012 | 7:48:02 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch "Besides, Gotham will kill them both! ;-)"
Who is Gotham? Never heard of them; neither have Equipe or Wavesmith's customers...

broadbandboy 12/4/2012 | 7:48:02 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch "Besides, Gotham will kill them both! ;-)"

Does Gotham still have a chance? If I were writing a PO for new equipment, I would be leary of all three startups.

Any bets on who will survive the next six months?
lu-alum 12/4/2012 | 7:48:01 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch "If I were writing a PO for new equipment, I would be leary of all three startups."

That was the most intelligent thought I've heard so far, (except my own) :-) Customer should be leary of any startup in this environment, no question.

Then again the prospect that Lucent could turn tits up is no more unbelieveable that WSN, or Equipe doing the same.
whatariot 12/4/2012 | 7:48:00 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch to my2cents

it's amazing how much you can write with so little knowledge of the subject. at least you got the names of the companies correct
mboeing 12/4/2012 | 7:47:59 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch ""But given the fact that MPLS is not in demand today, both companies have time on their side and time to get it right."

I thought MPLS was supposed to be the next BIG thing? Why don't you think its not in demand today?"

I don't know if MPLS is a good thing or not (always reminds me of X.25 channel number & CUG) but as a matter of fact I'm designing (and my mates are deploying) quite some MPLS networks these days. I wouldn't call BT, DT or FT minor players. => There should be already some (strong?) demand for MPLS and MPLS applications.
Metal 12/4/2012 | 7:47:54 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch The vaunted team of Cascade engineers predominantly went to the following startups (and thus sealed the fate of Lucent's INS division):

-Sycamore
-Coriolis
-Equipe
-WaveSmith

We all know what happened with SCMR. Most of the ex-Cascaders there are multi millionaires (the rest are extremely underwater).

Coriolis seems to be pretty quiet. Any info?

Equipe also seems pretty quiet. They had a major problem with their hardware a while back which set them back a bit. They also can't seem to decide if they are an access play or a core switch - if access, then they really screwed up by not going after FR right from the start.

My sources at WaveSmith tell me things couldn't be going any better. Everyone they talk to wants their switch yesterday, so it sounds like its a matter of executing in the near term. My contact at Verizon also has very positive things to say about them.
broadbandboy 12/4/2012 | 7:47:54 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch "...but as a matter of fact I'm designing (and my mates are deploying) quite some MPLS networks these days. I wouldn't call BT, DT or FT minor players. => There should be already some (strong?) demand for MPLS and MPLS applications."

Ah, but what sort of MPLS networks? What is the function and purpose of these networks? That makes all the difference for this discussion.
mboeing 12/4/2012 | 7:47:51 PM
re: Lucent Bags High-End Switch "Ah, but what sort of MPLS networks? What is the function and purpose of these networks? That makes all the difference for this discussion."

Frame-based MPLS on top of IP networks. Mostly POS as point-to-point link between core routers. Sometimes ATM as point-to-point link between routers. Most prominent application would be provisioning of VPN in an IP network (CUG). Haven't seen frame-based MPLS/TE outside of lab or beta deployments. Haven't seen many cell-based MPLS networks (and they did not work very well if IP Navigator was involved).
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