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muxbux
muxbux
12/5/2012 | 2:31:26 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
Avici Certainly has some superior advantages over the Cisco Juniper solutions. The issue is the ability to sell High cost cap ex gear in a slowly returning marketspace. the other guys have more product depth to carry them through these times. Avici has one of the best architectures in the business... IMHO
Mezo
Mezo
12/5/2012 | 2:31:11 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
The biggest problem with Avici is not their box...although most service providers have looked at it already and passed on it...

The biggest problem Avici has is that it has been bleeding talent for years and there is no one left to enhance the box...I know because many of my friends were there an have moved on...

It does appear that Avici does have one last spin doctor on staff...well done byteme3

p.s. docs=bullshit like any routers 99.999% availability :]
coreghost
coreghost
12/5/2012 | 2:30:57 AM
re: Li Quits Procket

Avici has no advantage at all. Its an old, tired
product with no particular postives. Avici
has made the rounds of every carrier in the
business at least three times now with the
same product. And they keep getting told
"no" for bunches of reasons.

Their only real customer remains ATT. That
is, not counting fake customer announcements or
wishful thinking on their part.

They have now engaged a partner in nortel where
nobody except the CFO liked the deal and the
sales force is unmotivated to even try to sell
something they know nobody wants. And its not
because of cost. Its because the quality of the
product is poor, Avici support is horrible and
the company as a whole specializes in making
promises they can't keep.

Belzebutt
Belzebutt
12/5/2012 | 2:30:55 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
They have now engaged a partner in nortel where
nobody except the CFO liked the deal and the
sales force is unmotivated to even try to sell
something they know nobody wants. And its not
because of cost. Its because the quality of the
product is poor, Avici support is horrible and
the company as a whole specializes in making
promises they can't keep.



coreghost,
You're obviously not an NT insider. :)
byteme3
byteme3
12/5/2012 | 2:30:32 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
>Avici has no advantage at all. Its an old, tired
>product with no particular postives.

Well, that's an interesting spin. Since avici has been releasing new linecards and software features continuously since our inception, you must be referring to the chassis as the "old" part. Actually we've been introducing new chassis sizes, too, but the architecture of them is similar. But yes you can still run the chassis from 4 years ago with today's newest linecards, but isn't that a good thing?
Or maybe you're referring to the fabric design, in that it's still toroidal? We have increased the speed of it for higher capacity cards, but you're right it still supports the older speed too. The funny thing is avici considers that one of their big advantages: you don't have to throw out the older linecards when you buy new capacity ones. They can work in the same system. We don't think replacing the whole box every 24 months is the right approach for a carrier. How is that wrong?
byteme3
byteme3
12/5/2012 | 2:30:31 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
>The biggest problem Avici has is that it has >been bleeding talent for years and there is no >one left to enhance the box...I know because >many of my friends were there an have moved on...

If you think companies don't lose people and hire other people then you are naive. Since we continue to release new linecards and software features, we seem to have handled the downturn well. Avici, like every vendor out there, had layoffs during the lean years, which no one wanted. It is a horrible, horrible experience for all involved. But we have still been able to advance hardware and software even during the bad times, and have been hiring for the upturn since.
No one is irreplaceable - even Tony Li. :)
Mezo
Mezo
12/5/2012 | 2:30:19 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
Perhaps I am naive...but at least I'm not trying to sell my products on a LR chat board...hardware maybe you can find new talent...but in software you've got to keep the coders to be consist & maintain quality of those features...you know that...or you don't.

...and do us all a favor and buy more banners from LR...it's better for your image...then byteme2 :]

See you at lunch...
opticalwatcher
opticalwatcher
12/5/2012 | 2:30:13 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
"Perhaps I am naive...but at least I'm not trying to sell my products on a LR chat board"

Gee, you attack his router and he defends them point-by-point, and then you the accuse him of advertising.

Is it a requirement of the message board that all criticisms of products be one-sided? That would be very depressing! Maybe they can call it the "Lightreading Shootout" section.
vr100
vr100
12/5/2012 | 2:30:10 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
You got it in reverse.
Tony Li
Tony Li
12/5/2012 | 2:14:40 AM
re: Li Quits Procket
Of course not! But the way people here talk about him and how he's portrayed in the press releases sure make it sound like he's devine. He is a great figurehead for getting press coverage and funding, but as far as being technical, there are many who are in the same league. Radia Perlman, Dave Katz, Paul Traina, Yakov Rekhter, John Moy, Ross Callon, just to name a few. There are many more unsung heroes who do are just as good as Li but do not get the publicity.

Tony, please chime in and give credit to the other folks where credit is due.
------------------

This one has been bugging me and I can now set the record straight. Yes, there are many other folks who deserve far more credit and publicity than I do. Your list above, plus some other names like Oran, Chiappa, and Halpern should be included. The list is quite long. The visibility that has been thrust upon me is neither deserved nor welcome and has simply been a convenient tool for others to further their own ends.

I am simply one honest and stubborn man trying to help build the Internet. My value is not in any particular technical area but in the fact that I am a perfectionist, trying to do a good job for my customers and my company. I share the original vision of the Internet as THE communcations infrastructure for the forseeable future and I do what I can to move the Internet forward. Unlike many others in the industry, I am unwilling to lead my customers down the garden path to make a sale and from that, I believe, I have a long standing relationship with Tier 1 network engineers.

To those that feel that there is some competition as to who is the "coolest", I'll point out that there is no real competition. Only one person on the above list is also an international name in rock n' roll. When it comes to cool, I'm not even in the running.

Tony
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