Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon

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dwdm 12/4/2012 | 11:57:35 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon IMHO, Cisco and Juniper are pretty much equal on the high end. Each one has its share of positives and negatives. From feeds and speeds to features in ASICs both can do it. If I were the decision maker at Verizon, who would I choose? hmm, maybe a mix of both to keep them honest and I won't lock into a single vendor. But as others pointed out, you can't ignore Cisco's lock on the enterprise market. So if up to 20% of my customers run EIGRP, I would probably want to go with Cisco, although a technology like VPLS (for p2mp) will make this a non issue... that is, if it can scale...

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capolite 12/4/2012 | 11:57:33 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon Cisco's success can be explained by not letting ML anywhere close to VZ. She has sacrificed more accounts and careers to her mission of maintaining her ego. The stockholders would be far ahead of the game to buy her out since the management, led by Carlos the Wonderful, doesn't act.

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DocGonzo 12/4/2012 | 11:57:28 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon Kinda harsh criticism there capolite.

You can hardly lay Cisco's Telco troubles on one person. Greed was rampant in that group over the years, but it wasn't only in one person (albeit some had higher doses). I would attribute Cisco's problems more to an unhealthy market share (pre-Juniper), arrogance, and mediocre products.

Doc

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enlightener 12/4/2012 | 11:57:27 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon Come on, give us all a break. Just because you got passed over for a promotion when you were the only one that thought you deserved it...

ML is a great leader, and extremely knowledgeable and well-respected. She makes good decisions about the business and has built a very strong team.

It's pretty sad that you stoop to this level but not entirely surprising.

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vapa 12/4/2012 | 11:57:22 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon The technical evaluation says no, the
recommendation says no. But then the call
from cisco comes in and the decision is "yes".

Plus some stock incentives for people in high place.

This is the absolute truth. Trust me, I used to work for Worldcom.

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road__runner 12/4/2012 | 11:57:21 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon Actually you are thinking of another company.

Worldcom execs had millions off pre-IPO grants from which router company (among others) ? Try and find out.

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indianajones 12/4/2012 | 11:57:18 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon exactly. It was Juniper which perfected the art of stock-option granting and getting business. Examples abound ... Worldcom, Qwest ...

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vapa 12/4/2012 | 11:57:15 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon Actually you are thinking of another company.

Worldcom execs had millions off pre-IPO grants from which router company (among others) ? Try and find out.

Oh, I wasn't referring to a specific company, but the practice of personal (and stock) influence over technical merits. Worldcom use other products than routers.

P.S. What do you think the real reason(s) Worldcom invested in and helped Juniper?

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DocGonzo 12/4/2012 | 11:57:14 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon "P.S. What do you think the real reason(s) Worldcom invested in and helped Juniper?"

If you look carefully, you will see that WorldCom did *very* well on its Juniper investment. The company (not individuals) reaped millions from their initial investment and got the routers they wanted and needed in the process.

Doc

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road__runner 12/4/2012 | 11:57:10 PM

re: Juniper Loses Ground to Cisco at Verizon Doc

That is not correct.

WorldCom the company as well as some of the execs made out like bandits on Juniper pre-IPO grants. Read up on the Worldcom, Citigroup and Bernie Ebbers' hearings to get the details.

WorldCom's ROI on pre-IPO shares pays for their purchase costs for the routers and the execs get multi-million dollar bonuses to boot. Ain't capitalism great ?

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